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Can't fascism and conscripts being thrown into a meat grinder both be bad? Isn't one just a consequence of the other?
From that perspective, the fascists (Putin & co) have agency and the ability to decide their actions (attack another country), but the conscripts don’t, they’re passively „being thrown“. I strongly disagree with that point of view.
These conscripts at least partially decide to throw themselves into a meatgrinder, hoping for glory and money at the expense of the Ukrainian people. Fuck them.
Pretty sure a conscript’s motivations are avoiding prison or corporal punishment.
"conscripts" are still people with the power to choose what they will and what they will not do, if you choose to engage in a war of genocide for vladimir putin, pick up a gun, and shoot ukrainians protecting their out country, you're fucking foreit as a going concern in my book. you don't get to use the "well, they made me" excuse, you always have the choice in what you are willing to do, and what you are not
@downpunxx @LaFinlandia @deft @ThrowawayPermanente I dunno. They are told that if they say no, they will be shot. If they turn back, they will be shot. If they desert, they will be shot. Doesn't sound like a lot of choice there to me.
still a choice to get shot or shoot other people, there is always a fucking choice, always
From the fact that you’re here, should we assume your choice was to kill people?
That's unfortunate but you're not forcing me to kill anyone I don't understand how you could force anyone to.
It is a choice fuck em hope grenades blow all the teeth out of their skull and their hands are blown off.
So if someone hands you a gun and says "go kill people or I'll shoot you" you'd choose to go murder people?
I don’t know how I’d act. That’s the point.
We can’t sit here all high and mighty saying we would or wouldn’t do something when we have no bloody idea.