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[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (12 children)

I think that's been a proven case for European parliamentary democracies giving way to right wing and fascist parties. But that's more the reverse: the liberal and center-left move center and then lose.

But US politics doesn't have much leftist policy to shed, or many leftist politicians to exoricate, so it is more that even when Democrats win, policy stays right of center. Which is where the frustrated remark "both parties are the same" comes from, which everyone also shits on.

Since you know, the centre right continually stretches further right like a rubber band.

[–] someguy3 -2 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Dems can't move as far left as you want them to when there's a very real chance of losing. Want it to move left? Give Dems overwhelming and consistent wins and they can listen to the more left part of their party and move left.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Presidentially: yeah.

Congressionally and locally: not nearly as much. There's a pretty solid track record especially since the Citizens United and SpeechNow decisions of the Democratic Party either mobilizing against progressives and for conservatives in primaries where there isn't even a GOP threat.

They even took down Katie Porter because she didn't kiss the ring of Dianne Feinstein.

But yeah, the acute threat the GOP poses gives them harm reduction status.

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