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Oh boy, they're both the same, I can't decide... (lemmy.world)

submitted 10 months ago by PugJesus to c/politicalmemes

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[–] PugJesus 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So are you a pragmatist or not? You’re willing to compromise on Democratic support for genocide out of what you see as practical reality, why then are you doing the most impractical thing of trying to convince millions of voters to be pro-genocide instead of working to convince one single politician to do the right thing?

Have you not been paying attention to public support for Israel in the US for the past forty fucking years?

Let's go down through the facts, shall we?

A plurality of Dem voters still believe in CONTINUING TO SUPPLY ISRAEL WITH AID, ie exactly what Biden is doing, or INCREASING aid to Israel. They're already pro-genocide by that standard.
The braindead talking points parroted by these ghouls necessarily imply that NOT voting Biden will, in some way, alleviate genocide, when the exact opposite is the fucking truth.
I already support protests and boycotts to influence Dem politicians, I just don't support electing a literal fascist who has pledged to do everything he can to assist the ongoing genocide AND start a few here at home too, because I'm not a fucking moron.

No wonder Dems gave been getting dragged further and further to the right. With big brain strategy like this how could it not be inevitable that the party become more and more right-wing.

Please, tell me how the Dems are more right-wing now than in the 90s or 2000s. I'll wait.

[+] retrospectology -6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I already support protests and boycotts to influence Dem politicians

This is 100% bullshit. You being here trying to undermine those efforts and kneecap the influence that those efforts have proves that beyond a doubt. Don't ever claim this again.

Please, tell me how the Dems are more right-wing now than in the 90s or 2000s. I’ll wait.

They've literally been courting right-wing voters for decades so that they can ignore their progressive base (like you're trying to help facilitate right now). Biden's border policy is literally fucking identical to Trumps. Democrats propped up Trump and helped him get elected, they think propping up right-wing candidates makes their own Fascist Lite candidates more viable. It's literally the only way they can win elections now, by trying to scrape off an increasingly meaningless minority of "disillusioned republicans".

Go look up clips of Zbigniew Brzezinski talking about US Israel relations, he was one of the major proponents of the Iraq war and yet his perspective on the Israeli right-wing government would get him labeled a "leftist" by modern day libs.

Yes, democrats have become more right-wing in their panic to suppress the growing demographic of Millenials and GenZ. It's why we find ourselves on the doorstep of fascism right now. You neoliberals have been the ones getting into power, these are the consequences of your politics.

[–] PugJesus 4 points 10 months ago

This is 100% bullshit. You being here trying to undermine those efforts and kneecap the influence that those efforts have proves that beyond a doubt. Don’t ever claim this again.

lmao, or what, you'll send me to GULAG for daring to have opinions while not sucking off fascism?

They’ve literally been courting right-wing voters for decades so that they can ignore their progressive base (like you’re trying to help facilitate right now). Biden’s border policy is literally fucking identical to Trumps. Democrats propped up Trump and helped him get elected, they think propping up right-wing candidates makes their own Fascist Lite candidates more viable. It’s literally the only way they can win elections now, by trying to scrape off an increasingly meaningless minority of “disillusioned republicans”.

So the only thing you have is border policy. Before I outline anything, would you like to confirm that it is your solid opinion that Democratic border policy is more fascist now than in the 90s? I would just like to be certain that we're all on the same page.