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Isn't it a national security risk?
Then he should solve the issue by requiring the code to be hosted on American servers with source code inspection.
Not by making EVs unaffordable.
Novel idea: make a car, not a cloud service. My phone is better at navigation etc anyways.
You could similarly argue that phone makers should concentrate on making and taking calls. Turns out, that's not what consumers care about once a certain bar is cleared (a pretty low bar; call quality is notably bad on many modern cellphones). They care more about other stuff like... being good at navigation.
This has been put to the market test in China. For EV purchases, most consumers turn out not to care about the "car" aspects beyond a certain point. If the car drives okay and has acceptable safety, what matters is the Internet-based bells and whistles.
"source code inspection."
Great idea. That way it can be put on pause indefinatly because that shit takes years.
On top of it. You can NEVER be certain anyway because there's code burnt into the chips that you cannot read.
Why are you making stuff up? Cassinos have code audits and don't stop working.
It's just not the same to review code that runs a slot machine.
And code that runs a whole car.
One of the two is a whole lot more complex and probably had millions of lines more than the other.
I'll let you guys which is which
Then make it so the manufacturer cannot just push cloud updates without permission from an oversight committee.
Raising the price does nothing at all to fix the security issues.
Fix no, reduce attack surface 100%. Lets say hypotheticaly u know a foreign country is going to fuck u in the ass would you A let them fuck u with 60million dicks or B make it expensive so u are getting fucked over less.
No. It doesn't. Exactly. So why are you suggesting source code reviews?
Yes a big risk. Both natsec and IP theft are major concerns and cars are fully mic'd, compromisable, and to top it off, plug directly into your phone.
Then he should solve the issue by requiring the code to be hosted on American servers with source code inspection.
Not by making them unaffordable.
Because no car company would ever lie about the software there cars are running or go to extreme measures to hide that its not what it claims to be when being tested.
Do you have a phone in your pocket?
If you do then congratulations. All of the data your car would collect is already out there for sale to the CCP.
If you're talking about people who have high level sensitive conversations in cars, then yes. But that's an incredibly small group and they have those conversations in government vehicles that are all made in the US.
Just because I already was backdoored without a lube by person A, doesn't mean I'd love to be backdoored again by person B.
It doesn't make sense to bar an entire sector of EVs over it either though. Caring about it only when that country does it is the peak of bigotry and simping for the executives who would happily grind you down for profit.
I'd prefer to be ground down for profit by greedy american pigs than be put in a concentration camp by the CCP.
And how is the CCP going to put you in a camp in the US? You sound like conservatives who are afraid the UN will declare a peace keeping mission here.
What u think they will do if they invade/become the dominant global power. My country is at a far greater risk of Chinese invasion than urs. U set precidents the west follows like the good little vassals we are.
As for the un thing that's idiotic the us has veto power.
Europe isn't banning Chinese cars. They stopped following our lead after the UK joined us in Iraq. Our paths go together many times but they come to that conclusion on their own.
Obviously I don't know what country you're in but the US has 10 trillion dollars more than the Chinese to throw at the problem and we've long held the position that China doesn't get to invade anyone.
Yes, it runs grapheneos.
Irrelevant.
I'm talking about the mass deployment of spying devices across an entire country mapping every street running facial recognition collecting military related data. The idiot who buys the var who cares its everyone else.
The data they can just scrape from Google maps? Hell they can see where soldiers are deployed because of their fitness apps sharing running routes on social media.
This is black helicopter level conspiracy shit.
Riiiight so if its so conspiratorial why has China banned teslas from being within kilometres of any Chinese military establishment?
They aren't banned for the surrounding areas. They don't want them on military bases or used by government/military officials.
That's kind of funny though, we have satellites. We know what their bases look like. Unless they drive their cars into the facilities we can't get anything extra from their car.