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submitted 1 year ago by Bigfoot to c/plumbing
 
 

This is a post I originally created on the r/plumbing subreddit and am migrating here. I'll be updating and adding to this guide occasionally. Hopefully you find this helpful and informative!

Why would you want to be a Plumber? Well for me and many others it can be a rewarding career that leaves you feeling accomplished at the end of most days and every day can be different. Technology is always advancing, and new methods come along that make things easier and simpler. You’re always learning something new as a Plumber because codes change and every job is a little different. This keeps the job interesting. Many people view Plumbers and tradespeople in general as people who were too dumb to go to college and couldn’t get any other job. That is far from the truth though as being a successful Plumber requires continuous education and training. Plumbing is a career that will always be in demand everywhere in the world, can’t be outsourced and will likely never be (completely) taken over by robots in any of our lifetimes. There’s also the fact that you won’t have to deal with crippling debt from student loans, and you can make good money quickly out of school.

I’m doing this to help people everywhere, but codes/licensing/etc… can be different in many states so you should do your research before getting too far ahead of yourself. I live in the Northeast US (MA/RI) so that’s where my experiences apply.

Some frequently asked questions:

Am I too old to get into Plumbing?

Probably not! Obviously the younger you start the better, but there’s no age requirement to being a Plumber. Just know that Plumbing, like most construction trades, is a very physical job and can be hard on your body. The physical toll is something to consider when getting into any trade, and might be a turn off to you. Always wear PPE to keep yourself from getting injured.

How much money do Plumbers make? Salaries vary from state to state, so it’s best to research your local area. Here is a list of Plumber salaries updated in 2016. Search for job listings on Indeed to get a sense of pay scale. Big cities pay much higher than small towns. Plumbing is just the start. There are many other related licenses (if your state requires them) that you can attain which may increase your value to an employer. Honestly you probably won’t be rich unless you own an established company, but you’ll be comfortable if you’re responsible with your money.

Do I need to be “in shape” to be a Plumber?

Well, technically no, but it helps. It is a very physical job and the healthier you are, the easier things will be for you, and the people you’re working with. As an apprentice you’ll likely be tasked with digging, carrying and lifting, so the more fit you are the better. Also, being overweight will amplify the physical toll that being a plumber can have on your body.

I’m a girl, can I be a Plumber?

Yes! I know a few female Plumbers. I imagine it would be more difficult for female Plumbers because of the general atmosphere of construction trades and the ratio of men to women. That won’t change unless you ladies apply to jobs and learn the trade though, so go for it!

Do I have to touch poop?

Well, maybe… But in all reality it depends on the type of plumbing you’re doing. If you’re doing new construction the chances of touching poop are very low as you’ll be installing brand new piping systems. Service calls are much more likely to involve human dookie because often times you’re freeing blockages and repairing faulty plumbing systems. Personally I very rarely have to deal with doodoo as I do a lot of new construction and remodel work. But your mileage will vary. Ask what type of jobs your prospective company takes on and go from there.

I come from I.T. and have no experience working with my hands, does that matter?

No. There’s several guys at my shop that were hired with zero plumbing experience and are being trained and put through school to get their license. Does it help to have some experience, of course, but I wouldn’t say it’s necessary. A lot of jobs can help you being a Plumber because it involves a little bit of everything. There is a lot of problem solving. The most important thing is that you like to learn, and learn from your mistakes.

Okay, I want to pursue this, where do I start?

Well there is a lot of variables, age, location, experience etc… First you need to decide whether you’ll join a union shop or an “open” shop. I have no experience with unions so maybe someone else can chime in on this one (if the post wasn’t locked :-/). From what i hear, unions are difficult to get into and subject to nepotism. Once you’re in they have good benefits and pay very well. Some unions are also much more busy than others, Boston MA for example is very busy with all the new buildings going up. Union shops tend to work on larger projects which can last months/years which can have you doing the same task over and over again. You can find more information about unions and locate one close to your area here.

A family run shop is the method I’ve personally had success with. Your best bet to find one of these jobs is by going to craigslist/indeed and looking in your area for shops looking for apprentices or helpers. If you’re really motivated you can go to your local Plumbing supply store and ask if any of the companies in the area are hiring. Many will say experience preferred but will train the right candidate. These types of shops tend to focus on smaller projects, custom homes and service calls. The job you’re doing can be different every day.

Another type of company that is always looking for “plumbers” is the RotoRooter type companies. This might be the quickest way to get into the trade. My suggestion would be to avoid these types of companies. It’s usually very dirty jobs and they work on commission. There’s a lot of pressure to make sales, and a lot of the time they’ll lie to customers about things that need to be replaced just to get a bigger check. That’s no way to do business. I know this is a generalization and some people have a lot of success, but it’s my opinion based on what people say who are in the business.

There’s a college that offers an accelerated plumbing class, should I take that?

No, I wouldn’t suggest it. These courses charge thousands more than a traditional trade school class and teach you the same material. They also may require you to take additional non plumbing related classes which is a waste of time. The few guys I know that have taken these types of classes are well…not the best plumbers. Not to say that you’re dumb if that’s the path you did take, just sharing my personal experience. Don’t waste your money on online courses either. The best education you can get is from working hands on, in the field. If you want additional education before you start at a company it would be beneficial to study up on the different types of fittings/materials/tools that are used for Plumbing.

What should I expect on an interview?

Don’t wear a suit and tie. Some people will tell you different things. Personally I think the safest option is to make sure your clothes are clean and presentable. Your fashion sense isn’t high on the list of qualifications so don’t sweat it. Some interviews can be very informal, some might be more professional. It depends on the company. They may ask you to take a drug test/physical. Don’t do drugs. No one will want to work with you if you’re always high. Be ready to start working ASAP.

My first day is tomorrow, what should i do to prepare?

Make sure you show up well rested/sober/on time. First impressions are very important as with any job. Try to listen and watch as much as you can. Always ask questions if you’re unsure of something. Work hard and show your boss that you’re serious about the job. There’s nothing more frustrating than having your helper looking at his phone while you need something, keep it in your pocket until break time!

BRING BASIC HAND TOOLS. Here is a list in order of importance that you’ll want to have on your first day:

1.	Tape measure
2.	Marker/Pencil
3.	PPE (Gloves, Safety Glasses, Boots, Knee pad)

Wear sturdy work shoes and appropriate clothing!

This should get you through your first day. Plumbers use a ridiculous amount of tools, there’s a tool for everything. Most companies will supply power tools but require you to buy basic hand tools. Start out buying the basics. Everyone’s needs will be different but here’s a list of basic tools that I keep in my tool bag/pockets that I take on every job. Tape measure, sharpie, pencil, torpedo level, knive(s), hammer, two pairs of pump pliers, adjustable wrenches of varying sizes, philips screwdriver, flathead screwdriver, beater flathead, 6 in 1 screwdriver, flashlight, torque wrench, speed square, tubing cutter, mini cutter, pipe dope, teflon tape, electrical tape, pex cutter. Again everyone is different and you will eventually need to have a lot more tools, this is just a general list.

If you like to learn you can make this a satisfying career and maybe make a little money in the process.

Ultimately I am just some guy on the internet, and if you are actually serious about plumbing as a career you should do research on your own because things could be different where you live! YouTube is a good resource for general knowledge. Try to learn about other trades too!

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It steadily has dropped for a year or more and I can't take it anymore. If I replace will they fix? I pulled it off and even with the water off there is still water coming out of the pipe at a slow, slow drip pace. Is it the water shut off that needs help? Would of course prefer the cheaper fix but if a new head isn't going to stop the leak it'd be good to know.

TIA

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You know the temperature thing you turn round from like 0 to 5 depending on how hot you want it to be? Well I think, in trying to turn it off I may have turned it too far. As the it just keeps turning but in a jerky movement and the number doesn’t change if that makes sense? Like there’s a little plastic arrow that points up at the setting it’s on, so that you know what setting it’s on. But now it’s like the whole thing is turning rather than just the plastic cover with the numbers on.

So I think (well I’m hoping cos the opposite would be worse) that it’s now turned completely off and there is no way to turn it on. But because the whole thing is turning and the numbers don’t change up or down regardless of which way you turn it, it’s possible it could be on any one of the 0-5 settings but only stuck as showing on 0.

Hopefully this is the right place to post this and someone has some idea…?

Cheers!

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Until we have our old steel pipes replaced, we're dealing with rust that apparently gets caught in our faucet cartridges, thereby causing drips. We've had to replace them regularly. It seems like such a waste to throw out the entire cartridge when just the ceramic pieces and a washer cause the problem.

So rebuild kits aren't available anywhere? I've searched with all the keywords I can think of.

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You can hear the flush in the beginning, and a few seconds later a loud knock under the sink area. If I understand, water hammer is from the incoming water stopping suddenly and moving the pipes, but this is definitely elsewhere along the outflow.

Worth mentioning this only happens with solid waste and liquid doesn't do it. Kinda sounds like the outflow pipes are knocking against something when there's bulk in there.

Does this sound kind something to be remedied? Thanks for your help!

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Why would this happen? Should I try replacing the wire nut and turning it back on or is there something deeper going on? Thanks for any tips!

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Since we moved in we've noticed a sewer smell from time to time. I had a plumber come and identify this laundry discharge pipe not having a trap as the culprit. He ended up ghosting me so I cut more into the wall and found this black thing I couldn't identify until now (I think). I guess it's a drum trap after doing some more googling. If it's working as designed I guess it's supposed to hold water in and not let sewer gas through? but we definitely have a problem with the smell coming from this laundry room. Is this maybe not to culprit and I could leave it alone? I'm considering cutting it out and just connecting PVC the whole way through. Any recommendations or thoughts would be much appreciated.

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And here's after I replaced most of it, only thing I didn't replace was from the coupling back to the meter

https://imgur.com/a/axAU8up

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Just figured I'd add some content here so I'm just going through old photos/videos.

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This is just what our builders are having us use to convert from the pex underground to the main for the house. So if it's breaks the only way shutting off the water is the curb. So shitty.

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Mine just exploded and poured about 10 gallons of water under my cabinets. Looking for recommendations for a new one that is reliable.

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Resi to Commercial (self.plumbing)
submitted 1 year ago by TheBlackKnight to c/plumbing
 
 

I've spent 20 years doing high-end resi now I'm trying commercial. Hit me with your best tips brothers and sisters.

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I live in Europe. And for me interested which material use in other parts of world for plumbing. For example in new build houses for both types water used plastic pipe. but for heat used cooper pipe. which material used in your region?

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submitted 1 year ago by Deniable1477 to c/plumbing
 
 

Should i be concerned about the blue/green water stains around pipes? If so, should i be replacing the pipe or just clean and move on with life?

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The connections under my sink have a flexible tube that I'd like to replace with rigid tube. The stub out from the wall doesn't have the nut and threaded connection I've seen before, and they've used what I think is called a no-hub connector.

Would I use the no-hub connector on the rigid tube or do I sweat something like this on? https://www.brasscraft.com/product/1-12-in-o-d-tube-x-1-12-in-fip-3/ Or is there some other way?

I've soldered the narrower water supply lines, but nothing this large. Is there anything to consider other than heating it longer?

The stub out has corroded on the bottom and there's a thin crack that the no-hub fitting covers, so there isn't a leak now, but I don't know if that will be covered if I sweat on a connector. Is there a way to deal with that crack?

As some extra info, I think that some stubs are threaded into the vertical pipe. This isn't threaded in and doesn't look like it can be removed without opening the wall and replacing it.

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There are plumbers worldwide who post youtube videos of themselves working and you can see what issues they face on a daily basis.

Australia: roots

Korea: cooking grease

UK and Germany: wet wipes

I added a link to my favorite in Germany. His videos are all translated if you click Closed Captioning, but he also speaks in english occasionally.

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submitted 1 year ago by Bigfoot to c/plumbing
 
 

I thought I would share this website with anyone interested. There are a variety of courses you can take for free on topics ranging from plumbing, water quality, drains, HVAC, backflow prevention, etc... There's usually short videos or slides and then a series of questions afterwards. After completing courses you get points which you can redeem for things like sweatshirts, lunchboxes, and camp chairs. I think it's kinda cool because you learn something, you can get free stuff, and Watts gets advertising so everybody wins. Still worth a look even if you're not interested in the swag because the courses are actually helpful if you're in the trade. Also I'm not affiliated in any way, just like to learn stuff.