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Based Thomas Massie

Being opposed to genocide supporters is not a "talking point" it's not a "trick". Genocide is simply against the very core of my belief about how we're meant to treat other human beings.

So when a Democrat supports genocide, I want them out of the party and I see those who choose to ignore that candidates genocidal views as complicit themselves as well since they are responsible for putting that person into as position of power despite knowing the ugly truth. Hopefully that's clear enough for you to allow yourself to understand. It's very odd to have to spell it out like this for you though.

Harris is not a zionist afaik.

Harris does not appear to be ideological like Biden, that is true and a promising sign, but that's not really related to the point I'm making -- while zionists like Biden and his supporters do obviously help keep the slaughter going, one doesn't necessarily have to be a committed zionist to help fuel the genocide. One could choose to do it for any number of reasons (ex. cowardice, political convenience etc.), we will see if Harris' actions match up with her rhetoric. She doesn't get an automatic pass on being a moral human being, this isn't a cult of personality like the GOP.

No one said it was unanimous. It was still hundreds of sitting members of congress, both democrats and republicans.

And people do try to condemn the specific members of our government who support the genocide, like Joe Biden. And you know what happens? People like you pop-up and defend them and deflect.

You literally just spent the entirety of yesterday trying to get me to shut up about condemning genocide support and talking about holding genocide supporters politically accountable.

Yes, but Republicans are given. Half of Democrats also joined in, that's the problem. The Democratic party needs to be in opposition to zionism like it's meant to be opposed to every other form of fascism.

I didn't equate voting dem as genocide support. If you vote for a zionist though, that is active support of genocide. In that situation you're signaling to the party that it's acceptable to have genocide supporters in the party, as long as the other option is "worse".

That's a calculation you're free to weigh for yourself, but it is still genocide support. Same way voting for an openly racist politician is in support of racism.

If Trump were a Palestinian child he'd be all over it though.

Joe Biden is "civil" in the most meaningless, useless sense of the war. I don't know why people are being precious about his legacy.

Anecdotally, I can say the support for Harris among all the women I know is really high. The vibe has definitely changed.

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Always good to make sure you haven't gotten purged off the rolls for whatever reason. And if you've never registered it is very easy.

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Knowing your district makes it much easier to find your polling locations and figure out when elections are being run.

Yes, about half of Democrats weren't applauding like seals. Half still were, which is unacceptable.

Calling a genocide what it is isn't sensationalist, regardless of whether or not you think there would be political blowback for her to state that plainly.

You're couching an implication that describing it as a genocide is an exaggeration in pragmatic language.

Yeah, the Knesset has signaled in no uncertain terms that they will never support a two state solution.

A two-state solution is something that sounds good to people who don't understand the history and the geography, but the reality is that Israel will always be looking to take over the remainder of Gaza and the Westbank. The already have to a huge extent, I don't think people realize just how much Palestine has been made into swiss cheese. You can't make a state out of that.

It's the apartheid state that needs to end, Israel cannot remain an ethno-state if there's ever going to be an end to all this. Theres nowhere else on earth that we'd be arguing that it needs to be ethnically "pure". Palestinians have been in that region as long as anyone, they need to be equal citizens with equal rights.

Its not a pipe dream, the world pressured South Africa to end apartheid, they can do it with Israel if world leaders actually show some backbone.

I feel that, but to be fair she's not in a position to do much more than promise at the moment.

I think it's an encouraging sign that she's not trying to duck the issue, the way she could. That's not a guaruntee she'll take real action, but if she's distancing herself from Biden on this even before she gets the nomination it's a good sign.

I think it's easy to forget just how extreme Biden is on this issue. Harris is your average democrat, but she's still not ideological like Biden is, most aren't. Biden went so far as to go around Obama to make promises to Israel when he was VP, I don't see Harris having that kind of unquestioning desperation to help the right-wing Israeli government.

You do know that Netanyahu is friendly with Putin...right?

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2023-11-08/ty-article-opinion/.premium/why-is-israels-netanyahu-still-groveling-to-putin-and-russia/0000018b-af21-dea2-a9bf-ffbf3e0c0000

Ever wonder why he talks like Donald Trump?

Turns out you don't actually care about "sucking dictator cock" after all, just trying to provide cover for your own right-wing mass murderer.