notanaltaccount

What? Why?

It's SO boring to people who don't like it.

If we ensure everyone is able to have functional literacy, people begin to know.pretty quickly whether they do or do not like reading.

People have limitied time and the daughter of the AC repairman may be better served by being able take "easy" physics courses as a freshman and take a two year mechanical engineering course after to see if she likes that. She may not want to spend 80 hours on Finnegan's Wake or expend effort having to pretend to like that incoherent diatribe. Grade school and high school take a long time and the idea that intelligent people of all classes couldn't start learning more advanced topics and no one shouod specialize in what they learn is a Polyannaish attitude towards time and resource management that has lead to our clusterfuck society of "everyone needs a college degree just to work at enterprise rent a car" and results in people putting off child birth towards ages at which they are less likely to be fertile and have babies with fewer genetic defects. (That is not eugenicism. Everyone has genetic defects and most people have 6-7.) In an Internet age in which information is readily available, strategies, strategies for educating the populace should change and try to.reduce student apathy and disengagement, which ca nbe caused by teaching boring things students don't like. I am not against a semester or two of high school English, but 4 years is 3 too many at least for those uninterested.

pier light?

It's not just that. A lot of hard books have bizarre sentence structures that lack clarity. So you are dealing with looking up words every few paragraphs (or skipping meanings) plus bizarre phrases and long confusing sentences.

I guess, but broad exposure goes on for a very long and boring time, imho. Couldn't there just be a 1 semester broad exposure class to find out such things instead of years of painful obtuse prose students mostly just pretended to read?

I didnt know that. I thought when people said they/them it meant gender fluid and was a different type of identity.

I disagree that nuanced and sophisticated english language skills are needed for debates. Even getting into complex debates can be done without nuanced language.

I think if 3 years of English Lit were replaced with ecological science, society would be less likely to perish.

I am not as optomistic as you that somehow complex boring books are a panacea for fascism, which is not only linked to ignorance, but also religion and usually prejudiced analysis that is passed on through word of mouth or online and rarely refuted. Hamlet won't stop Nazism.

Facism also tends to increase when groups in society feel like their quality of life is declining and they don't understand the economics involved or how to change it and invent a type of mythology to explain things they can't grasp. A better way of reducing fascism is by teaching an anti-fascism course in school AND reducing inflation by not doing things that will cause bizarre secondary economic effects but sound good to naive voters.

For instance:

"let's raise the minimum wage to 30 dollar so everyone is comfortable"

vs

"let's eliminate the minimum wage entirely and provide free health care and a $200 housing voucher for people who need it funded by taxes"

one of those makes people happy but fucks up the economy and increases inflation, and one improves things without causing bizarre secondary problems, and the average voter doesn't know the difference

The idea that "Oh, if all the morons likely to believe facist ideology are just taught Hamlet, it will all be okay" probably over-estimates the iq of the average person who would read it. Facism stems more from changes in living standards and a lack of feelings of control rather than from an ability to reason.

I think "they" is probably a specific gender identity and using that would be like coming out as not male, but i do feel male. I dont think it would be accurate.

That's not true. People who like language will naturally gravitate towards learning weird words

Just like people who like using their hands will gravitate toward air conditiioning repair and woodworking over time

Why does EVERYONE need to be bored right now?

It probably doesn't matter.

Nuances of language don't really matter with large political topics like:

Laws based on biblical concepts vs individual freedom

or

Immigrant rights vs. Impact on locals

or

Supporting people with government subsidies by taxing wealthy people vs people fend for themselves

These large societal differences don't need nuanced or clever language to be debated, nor are they somehow informed by learning boredom tolerance by getting through some snoreathon book written hundreds of years ago like the great gatsby

ironically i once told a guy the great gatsby was my favorite book to try to seem smart because i wanted to suck his dick, so i cant say i never got any benefit from that book.

People who have IQs less.than 110 are probably wasting time by studying Calculus.

Society uses a huge amount of time and resources to have people educated and it's bizarre how little specialiization and how much boredom is involved.