mrcleanup

"Please watch the following 15 hours of video we found on your uncle's laptop of you getting raped when you were 12 so you can understand what level of trauma you should be feeling."

Vs.

"We found out some horrible things that happened to you as a child, do you want to know?"

One of these options is kind and also empowers the victim, can you guess which one?

it's not a choice you are entitled to.

Just... Wow.

The true test of being kind is not just empowering others when it makes you feel good, but empowering others when their choice makes you uncomfortable.

Someone absolutely has the right to say "my life has been fucked up enough already, don't tell me, I don't want to know."

The truth is you would take that way from them just so you can feel good about yourself, whether it caused depression, or suicide, or hurt. You would take their choice away because you don't agree with it so you could feel "just" whether it re victimizes them or not.

Look around you, being informed is absolutely a choice. This place is a great example of people choosing pleasant fictions over uncomfortable realities every day.

Just because you think it is an unacceptable choice doesn't mean it isn't one.

Right, so the answer to my earlier question is "yes" in this instance your are anti-choice. Is fine, but own it or we end up going on a big circle to get where we should have been three or four comments ago.

And we could have had a conversation about that, but honestly, I'm just not that invested in the conversation anymore, it's been a long day and I'm out of patience for random strangers who are more interested in being right than communicating.

I'm not talking about law, I'm talking about morality.

"we found out about some bad things that happened to you as a child, do you want us to tell you what we found out?" Is a perfectly valid way to ask for informed consent before doing something to them they may not want.

So you are arguing against consent?

They aren't distinct systems, but the same one meshed.

And

They aren't the same, but are never found without each other.

Are not equal statements.

That... Is a completely different argument.

Thanks for sharing that picture of two different things in your attempt to argue that they are one thing.

That's like saying that since you never see deer ticks except with deer, they are the same animal as the deer. Just because things commonly appear together does not mean they are the same.

Eh .. capitalism is an economic model, fascism is political. One may enable or encourage the other, but I think it's a bit of an exaggeration to say they are the same.