I didn't ask which has the different policy now (ignoring my opinion about the truth of your assertion) but which is most likely to be responsive to public opinion; and I'd add, which one actually cares about the plight of others and which is an unofficially diagnosed narcissist.
But I'm fairly certain we won't agree and sadly we'll never know what Kamala coulda/woulda done. But with trump we're about to Find Out. I hope we're both wrong about him.
Ah well then perhaps we agree more than we thought :) Cheers Mate!
oh crap did I [whoosh]? sorry.
In my defense, in this thread, that was way too easy to read with a snarky tone as it was with a sarcastic tone. But I can totally hear it now!
I'm not removing it as irrelevant from all things. I'm saying its irrelevant as part of a discussion for what other traits define many and/or are exclusively manly.
I'm not really sure what you're asking with ,"is your assertion that a woman or enby would use the word “manly” to describe and identity of being a responsible adult?"
For sure I'm not looking for a single authoritative definition. I am, in fact rejecting just about any definition or even the need for one. I am, at the end of my logic train, begging the question, "why does it even matter?" I certainly don't care if society deems me "a man" or "manly". I don't judge other people by such a rubric. I think society would be better off if we work to actively reject such notions since they lead to gatekeeping which is rarely helpful. All that matters is that I'm happy with who I am, within the bounds of whatever it means to also being good to other people.
Obviously that opinion means it will be very hard for someone to come up with examples of traits* that are actually really honestly unique to man/male-ness which a woman can't/won't/shouldn't also possess as part of being a good responsible person? I have yet to hear any. They ALL a equally true for a good person regardless of gender / gender identity.
*In this context I will concede the obvious biological function you've pointed out, while at the same time ignoring it as irrelevant because it can stand on it's own AND have no impact on the other traits being discussed. Just because someone "handles themselves like an adult and happens to be male" doesn't in mean it logically follows that handling oneself as an adult = male. Just like the equally valid sentence, "handles themselves like an adult and happens to be female" doesn't make handling oneself as an adult = female. They just mean you're a responsible adult and not an irresponsible child.
Exactly.
And the real irony is that of the two candidates, which one is most likely to respond to post-election pressure to adjust the policies?
Sure sure sure, Trump can be influenced by money and flattery, but the people that are going to pay and flatter him are not exactly the ones arguing to save the lives of innocent civilians.
So the irony remains, of the two candidates to choose from, the people complaining about what is happening in Gaza picked the one least likely to do anything helpful once elected ("do" as opposed to what they said to get elected).
Well like, that's just your opinion man.
The problem is you didn't just call out their shitty identity
Check the usernames. Someone that claims misandry as their identity,
you also tried to use it to negate their assertion
is just spreading it.
Or said another way, you made an ad hominem attack and I called you YOU out on it.
[face palm] I haven't seen that movie in a LOOOONG time.
I ignored it because I feel it's not germane to the topic at hand; and I have no argument with your assertion either as it pertains to what the biological role of a "man" is in reproduction. But biological functions are not part of the discussion of traits of, or imposed expectations of, feeling like a man.
I disagree that being someone who fills the "biological reproductive male role" has anything to do with being or needing to feel "manly". Since "manly" in my opinion is purely a cultural imposition. More so, any traits generally being mentioned in this whole thread are not exclusive to being a man, but of a good person.
From the rest of your reply though we'll just have to agree to disagree that the "biological reproductive male role" has any influence on the discussion of what it means when a man says "sometimes a man wants to feel like a man" or similar discussions about what it means to be a man, or to use your word "manly", because we'll probably disagree about what it means to BE manly. But I also don't concern myself with being manly so that might be the disconnect.
I'm sorry you feel that way. But as a testicle-American I can say the feeling is not universal.
But you need to imagine a context, or there's no conversation to be had because it makes now sense in a vacuum. In what world does anyone just say something like, "A man likes to feel like a man" without context?
You provided your own context which generally is about what you do for yourself. Though I'm slightly skeptical that you choose to do those things specifically in the context of "today I want to do something for myself that makes me feel like a man". You just do the things you like; full stop. But if I'm wrong, you do you, no judgement or kink-shaming ;-) I kid!
So in the more general context of debating what it means when someone says "A man likes to feel like a man" you have to wonder what drove them to say it and to whom. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume it was said in response to someone doing/not doing, or approving/disapproving of something the speaker associates with feeling like a man. And with that very generic context one has to ask, why is it someone else's responsibility to do/not do something to make someone feel like a man? And why does anyone's approval/disapproval impact someone else's sense of masculinity?
As for feeling useful, being relied upon, honouring responsibilities, how are those traits of being a man? I ask that in the context of, how are they not just traits of a good person. When someone doesn't do those things that doesn't make them not a man, it makes them not a good person full stop.
Those aren't traits of a man. Those are traits of a human. Both other than that, 100% agree a person needs that.
I don't agree that 11% undecided in the primary is a "fairly significant public statement", I mean, literally 11% is like, you know, small. Nor does a lack of policy change during the election cycle (which has a lot more factors than just Gaza to consider) immediately mean Kamala wouldn't be open to changing tactics post election. But we'll never know because, like I said, Trump won and now we get to find out if voting for him was net good or net bad for the Gaza cause.
But I can appreciate the emotional investment you have in "both sides-ing" this and ignoring the material differences between a narcissist that is already talking about lifting arms restrictions to Israel and Kamala.
Weather you agree with me or not is immaterial. On the issue of both parties being the same, you're wrong. See how easy that is to say and it means nothing to an actual debate?
-Cheers