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I will acknowledge that if and when you make a position with actual nuance. "You can't compare Valce to Activision because valve makes free games" isn't nuanced and is just ignorant.

I asked you to point out where I made the claims you attributed to me, you did not.

???? No you didn't? I even just re read this whole thread. You literally never asked that????

I think you also need to give up the idea that everyone on a given platform will be as ‘enlightened’ as you are.

Clearly.

Everyone has their own thoughts and opinions.

Yep, some people have class consciousness and actually want to talk about the failures of capitalism and the atrocity of people having billions of dollars while others starve and live on the streets. And others want to defend those billionaires because they run a company that made a video game they liked 20 years ago.

one of the two companies you listed have one free-to-play game. If you want to focus on that and ignore the decades of anti-consumer, money-grubbing behavior, I don't think I can help you.

That's my point to you exactly. You're ignoring all of valves anti-consumer bullshit because they made a video game you like.

Are you referring to Steam: Greenlight?

No, I'm just referring to the steam store itself, that just allows all that shit to this day.

Sure, Valve make money off it, but there IS a consumer-friendly reason for it to exist.

So what's the "consumer friendly" reason they don't let you actually own your games?

Try this yourself.

I did. I used to be on the "omg Gaben so cool! Steam sale take my money you XD" circlejerk too. Then one day I heard about his fleet of luxury mega-yatchs and that made me look at things properly, that he was again just another billionaire leaching off the work of others.

Also, don't pigeon-hole people who disagree you into GABEN4LYEF RIDE OR DIE fanatics, and we might just have a constructive conversation.

I'm not. That's what you are doing to yourself by just completely disregarding decades of anti-consumer bullshit because they made a couple games you like.

You're just outright dismissing undeniable shitty behaviour from Valve for entirely superficial reasons, then when I show you you're justifications can be used with other gaming companies that get hate, you dismiss that without reason too.

You will probably consider this over dramatic but this interaction has 100% genuinely killed my last remaining scrap of hope for humanity. If people on Lemmy who are generally both left wing and intelligent, can't even acknowledge that billionaires that push anti-consumer bullshit are bad (even when they make a bideo game you like) then what hope is there of the general public understanding that? We're truly never going to change anything and we're just going to let the billionaires destroy us.

Thank you, goodnight.

I knew comments like this would turn up. But it still saddens me that even Lemmy users, who ar in general much more cognizant of these things and less likely to get caught up in the circlejerk, can't acknowledge that Gabe Newell isn't your best freind, he is in fact just another money hungry corporate CEO.

You say comparing valve to say, blizzard is incredible, but the points you use to defend valve can also be made of them.

Is Overwatch 2 not free? With no pay 2 win features? Does Blizzard not pay for the server hosting anti cheat and matchmaking? Do they not also support there game for years? ( also I find that funny given the fact the TF2 community is going ballistic right now over the fact valve isn't doing shit to support it against cheaters and bots)

Yes they provide a store front anyone can sell on. Including shitty asset flips, early access pump and dumps, predatory spyware etc. And are very reluctant to do litersly anything about it when those scams are called to attention.

And again, that storefront isn't some altruistic endeavour Gabe took on out the kindness of his heart. No he's made BILLIONS by exploiting the worl of others, just like every other billionaire. And if providing a basic service makes up for your predatory bullshit, well we might as well let literally every other CEO off the hook then right?

It's not a bad in to admit you got sucked in my propaganda or marketing or just general Internet circlejerks, what is a bad thing is to vehemently refuse any introspection on your current beliefs and defend them to the death simply because they are what you currently believe. I really hope I can reach out to people on Lemmy and that you guys can actually take a step and try to look at things objectively instead of doubling down.

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1. That's kind of the point. The UK typically doesn't feel the need to demand back it's artifacts

2. Some of those artifacts are contested

3. My entire series of comments is about the fact that these are not clear cut, but as is the case with every random chucklefuck on the internet that thinks they are an expert or an authority on something they have a surface level, at best, understanding of, you're taking an extreme position, arguing it's clearly the correct one and the situation is obvious and without nuance and then staunchly and irrationally refusing to anything that challenges your simple minded binary world view.

4. Imagine you bought something from someone fairly, then a day later they claim it has a lot of significance to them and demand you give it back without compensation. Are you going to give it to them? Does it still "belong" to them? Any rational person would say no.

5. Well basically every prominent historian who's weighed in on the matter thinks they hold water, so I'm not going to give much credence to random angry person on lemmy with little knowledge on the subject.

Bye

Nice one OP, did you come up with that zinger yourself?

Do you the UK would ever tolerate another country doing that with their cultural artifacts?

Yes, because do. The bayuex tapestry held by france. Henry VIII letters to Anne Boleyn held by the Vatican, the Vercelli book held In Italy, parts of old British warships kept by the Dutch, French and Spanish, The Codex Amiatinus, in Florence, most of Shakespeare's originals are in the US, Charles I art collection, several entire buildings like Agecroft hall and James Cook's house, even old London Bridge could fall under this category. And countless (and I really do mean countless) less import ones that have ended up in other countries, primarily the US, in state museums.

And a lot of those were acquired with much less legality than the Elgin marbles.

why should the UK hold onto them today and not Greece? What right do they have?

The fact that they were acquired legally with permission of the government of the time, now have history outside of their original ones in Greece, allow the teaching of its history to be spread to more people and be viewed in the wider context of global history.

And as I said before, if I was forced to chose, I would err on the side of them being returned. My point is to point out it isn't a simple and black and white case of the eeeeeevil British blatantly stealing things and refusing to give them back just to be cunts.

True, yeah

I mean, it's one thing for random citizens like us to celebrate this, but a prominent politicians acting like that would be highly inappropriate honestly.

What?

Cool, many dont, and many that do dont give public access to their collections.