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[–] fkn 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Your inability to understand that killing someone when you run a red light and hit them is either man slaughter or murder is probably where your inability to see how your position is flawed comes from.

[–] fkn 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You find the right argument but you failed to make the right conclusion.

Running a red light you are intentionally putting others lives at risk. If you run a red light on accident and you kill someone, it's manslaughter. If you intentionally run a red light and kill someone its murder 2.

[–] fkn 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem is that you failed to adequately disambiguate your position from nonsense. The position you presented is a poor one and an unwelcome thing to try and defend in this community. Additionally, your presentation of the subject was combative instead of illuminating and your statement about "true things" is just a bad presentation of a thing we have excellent proofs of without the hand waving.

Frankly, it was difficult for me to differentiate your argument from a bad apologist argument.

[–] fkn 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Godels proof is quite clear. There are infinitely many assertions that are true but have no proof. Those assertions can be mapped to extant things. This is not an area that requires deliberation. If you are unfamiliar with the incompleteness theorum we can discuss it more. The fantastically great thing about this work is that it was the pursuit of a "complete" purely philosophical logic derivation of mathematical principles (the continuation of the work by Bertrand in the Principia Mathematica).

The thing here is we are arguing two different points... You are arguing that empirical evidence can demonstrate the usefulness of models to explain more empirical evidence... Which is true. I am arguing that philosophy builds models. You aren't wrong(except that part about not trying to prove the parts that are crucial for the scientific method... You are just wrong about that) and I am not wrong. We are arguing different things.

[–] fkn 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The (poorly) argued point they are trying to make is the distinction between the empirically identified congruences between the math and the internally consistent tautological truth of the math itself.

The reason I bring this up is your point about math modeling empirical evidence is an important distinction. Where their argument truly breaks down is the idea that all internally consistent tautologies are of equal value to us as humans. This is obviously false.

And frankly, their other argument about this showing that true things exist without empirical proof is offensively stupid since we already have much better proofs demonstrating that true things exist without proof.

[–] fkn 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

While what you say is true, tautological arguments are not useful in and of themselves. Internally consistent mathematics is not a useful construct unless we can empirically discover structures that those mathematical systems model. Einsteins theory of relativity is not impressive without the empirical discovery that the it is/was a better model than the existing Newtonian models that proceeded it.

To argue that internally consistent tautologies are true and are of equivalent usefulness is a bad faith argument that inappropriately equates two logical constructs.

[–] fkn 8 points 1 year ago

This is not the place to debate veganism or make wild unfounded claims about veganism... Or vegans...

You know, just be nice to each other... For fucks sake.

[–] fkn 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly the opposite. Removing sms was the thing that finally made me recommend it to my friends and family. People understand sms replacements. People understand alternate messaging apps. People don't understand encrypted sms.

If you have people who love whatsapp, it's super easy to get them to use signal instead.

[–] fkn 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Don't listen to this heathen, all who seek his noodles are welcome regardless of the sauce you choose... except those who misfits who eat the devil's cream based sauces.... May they give themselves neverending gastric distress.

[–] fkn 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Living in the USA is often a constant, daily struggle to deflect and divert religious individuals... And I don't even live in a super religious area.

[–] fkn 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's almost like some people need help processing the trauma they endured in their religions... I know. Shocking right?

[–] fkn 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It depends on what you are trying to do... There are many tunnel / reverse proxy routing services like https://www.cloudflare.com/products/tunnel/

Here's a list https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling

You can also get a super cheap vps, do some ssh reverse tunnel magic and go along with your day.

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