When other people murder far more people, is the police just supposed to watch it happen?
Is there an end to your naive idealism?
coffeewithalex
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Keep in mind that privacy is really a recent concept. Human societies never had privacy before the industrial revolution. Everybody knew everybody else and what they were doing. I do want my privacy, but modern technology makes it too easy to create and grow any organization that can rival the state in power. While we do have the power to influence and control the state, we have no power over competing organizations that act like authoritarian states.
There needs to be a balance, an amount of power that the state can exercise, that's just right for keeping it as a monopoly on violence. Absolute privacy, where the state has transparency, is taking away all the power and advantages from the state and gives them to whoever wants to challenge that state.
In other words, nuance.
I get your opinion but you have to account for the fact that it's not Le Pen who's in the chair. And France is actually ranked quite high on the civil liberties. While I get your perspective, I believe that it's exaggerated.
No. They don't grant police that power. The judicial system has that power. Just like it has the power to imprison people.
Read the article. Title is clickbait. It's only with approval from a judge. You know, alternatively they could just arrest and imprison the person, which is what every country is doing. Not saying it's without worrying, but there's important nuance that most are missing.
P.S.
Absolute extremist attitudes like "nobody should be able" and so on, have absolutely no place in modern society. There's always nuance. Libertarianism doesn't work, and laws must be enforced. It sucks, but when there are forces that want to hurt people and destabilize societies, you can't go by the rule that everyone is a saint. The world will punish this attitude.
Yes, the world isn't perfect, but for ducks sake, quit sensationalizing anecdotes and representing them as "this always happens". That's dishonest.
And that is actually illegal in the EU
I explicitly said that I'm all for justice. You are being dishonest with your last statement, which is an emotional reaction that is completely unnecessary. Cool down.
So if your sources are correct, then when comparing the organization that should have the monopoly on violence, to how much violence they enact, it's 15%,... it's kinda dumb, isn't it? It's dumb to expect the organization with the monopoly on violence to enact an order of magnitude less violence than the "competitors".
And you derive this conclusion on .. what study or poll? Because there are instruments to measure that you know. It's called voting.
Or are you referring to a violent loud minority and saying that it's a majority?
Do you have any idea how many people are killed by the police when they are unarmed?
Fewer than armed people killing other people when the police isn't there. If that ain't true then obviously the police should be disbanded. And since you haven't brought up any data, I will bring it, from the latest news. 15 incidents like that, in France, in the last year. And according to data I found for 2016, there were around 1500 total gun deaths (about 100 times more).
So yeah, I have an idea. Do you?
Here it was blatent murder
A person was killed. Whether it was murder or manslaughter, is not up to you to decide because you have no degree in law in France.
and if it wasn’t for the video leaked on social media the cop would face absolutely no consequences.
Ok, so the cop will face consequences now. Isn't that the goal? Why hurt other people that have nothing to do with it? Your reasoning is completely absent here.
When justice fail, the social contract is broken
Who is gonna carry out justice for all the assholes that hurt people in these riots? Shall we play the escalation game just to satisfy your weird revenge boner?
When the social contract is broken, there is no peace or discussion.
So your solution is to escalate violence endlessly. slow clap
Neither France nor the USA were built on peaceful protests.
You don't know history very well, do you? You're comparing authoritarian regimes with democratic ones now.
Sounds like you need poetry.
Or at least to track your dependencies, so that you can recreate your virtual environment.