Xenoceratops

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[–] Xenoceratops 1 points 1 year ago

I will join you in your optimism. Who knows, maybe this platform will pick up steam in the future. I've encountered quite a few technical challenges with Lemmy too, so I can see that if things persist as they are, there would be a barrier to people participating here.

[–] Xenoceratops 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nice to hear a recent performance, and such a captivating one at that. The dynamics on the tremolos in the first movement are lovely. Nice bassoon part at 9:50, in the fire chaconne, too. Interesting percussion. Do you happen to know whether the percussion would have been historically accurate?

 

Clavichord, but same difference.

[–] Xenoceratops 2 points 1 year ago

The guy has a bachelor's degree in performance from what amounts to a trade school. He's a reasonably competent musician, but just like I wouldn't expect a plumber with the same education attainment to be an expert in materials science and the history of municipal engineering, I wouldn't expect a bass player with a performance degree to be an expert in music theory, music history, conducting, linguistics, or any of the other fields Neely comments upon when he has an agenda.

[–] Xenoceratops 2 points 1 year ago

Cool. Link us in your sidebar, we'll do the same.

[–] Xenoceratops 2 points 1 year ago

I think it's funny that there's such an emphasis on simplicity and accessibility in self-study resources, yet the one book I consistently see mentioned by self-teachers is CiC.

[–] Xenoceratops 1 points 1 year ago

A peer group can certainly be a good motivator as well.

[–] Xenoceratops 1 points 1 year ago

This arrangement blew me away when I first heard it.

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How did you self-teach? (self.musictheory)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Xenoceratops to c/musictheory
 

What are your experiences with self-teaching music theory? You don't have to be a 100% autodidact to answer this question; you probably have had times when you read a book or watched a video to learn some specific idea or technique. Ideally, I'd like to compile some guides for readers who don't have a teacher.

Personally, I prefer close reading of books and articles, but I know that's hardly a universal approach.

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Xenoceratops to c/musictheory
 

Many graduate music programs require new students to take a diagnostic exam in music theory. Many institutions offer practice exams on their websites. Since these exams represent the expectation of knowledge and abilities acquired by the end of an undergraduate course in music theory, they can be useful as study guides or for gauging one's own level of attainment. More links will be added to this list in the future.


  1. https://www.wmich.edu/musicgradexamprep/

  2. https://umshare.miami.edu/web/wda/frost/graduatestudies/MTC%20Common%20Practice%20Sample.pdf

  3. https://umshare.miami.edu/web/wda/frost/graduatestudies/Sample%20Aural%20Portion.pdf

  4. https://peabody.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/GADMA-Sample.pdf

  5. https://www.bgsu.edu/content/dam/BGSU/musical-arts/documents/student-resources/GraduateStudentFiles/theorysamplequestions.pdf

  6. https://files.webservices.illinois.edu/5030/entrance_exam_musicology_study_guide_for_jan_2016.pdf

  7. https://www.umass.edu/music/sites/default/files/assets/music/practice_diagnostic_theory_exam_general_version_2_2016.pdf

  8. https://wwwp.oakland.edu/Assets/upload/docs/MTD/Graduate-Study/Grad-Music-History-&-Theory-Study-Guide-2015.pdf

  9. http://www.csueastbay.edu/music/files/docs/exams/graduate-exam.pdf

  10. https://music.ku.edu/graduate-music-theory-diagnostic-exam-practice-examples

  11. https://www.uh.edu/~tkoozin/theory/diagnostic-exams.html

  12. https://www.umass.edu/music/diagnostic-exams-graduate-study

  13. https://vpa.uncg.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/practice-exam-10-12-21.pdf

  14. https://uca.edu/music/files/2021/04/Graduate-Diagnostic-Theory-History-Study-Guide.pdf

 

A thesis lecture on partimento and schema in guitar music, including Rule of the Octave.

Slides: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ad1humm0p24knp2/AACfVw3hQInIOmDxWbgpJIZza?dl=0

[–] Xenoceratops 3 points 1 year ago

I mean, roughly, it's okay. The progression strikes me as very old school. Look at this:

Year 5: Music Theory: Introduction to jazz harmony and improvisation.

Guess what year jazz majors start doing jazz harmony and improvisation? 1! The logic here is something you see in theory textbooks from about 20 years ago, where everything past 1900 is treated as an addendum to what they considered the "normal" range of theory.

My other criticism is that this curriculum is too vague, and this contributes to the unintuitive ordering of topics. Even if you went about learning it systematically, you would probably find yourself reshaping it based on the content you are learning.

What would I do? Get a good modern theory textbook and go through it from cover to cover. Learn ear training topics in parallel to the theoretical topics.

[–] Xenoceratops 2 points 1 year ago

The formatting makes this difficult to read on mobile. Instead of this

Introduction to staff notation and reading music in treble clef.
Understanding basic rhythms, including whole notes, half notes, quarter notes, and eighth notes.
Identification and understanding of major scales and key signatures.
Introduction to intervals (e.g., major 2nd, minor 3rd) and basic chord construction (major and minor triads).
Introduction to basic time signatures and simple meter.
Basic understanding of musical symbols, dynamics, and articulations.

Try this:

  • Introduction to staff notation and reading music in treble clef
  • Understanding basic rhythms, including whole notes, half notes, quarter notes, and eighth notes.
  • Identification and understanding of major scales and key signatures.
  • Introduction to intervals (e.g., major 2nd, minor 3rd) and basic chord construction (major and minor triads).
  • Introduction to basic time signatures and simple meter.
  • Basic understanding of musical symbols, dynamics, and articulations.
[–] Xenoceratops 2 points 1 year ago

In Irish and Scottish instrumental folk music, it's common to perform a "set" of the same kind of dance tunes. They don't have to be in the same key or anything. Being the same kind of dance (a jig, for example) guarantees the meter is continuous though.

[–] Xenoceratops 1 points 1 year ago

It's working for me.

[–] Xenoceratops 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What @quixotic120 said.

You can look at what they do in music school by searching for musicianship/aural skills syllabi.

These are the usual topics (more or less in the order they are introduced, but about halfway through become simultaneous):

  • Interval identification
  • Chord quality identification (triads, later seventh chords)
  • Scale identification (usually major and natural/harmonic/melodic minor, but some do modes and other types of scales too)
  • Solfège
  • Sight singing (rhythmic and melodic)
  • Conducting
  • Melodic dictation
  • Rhythmic dictation
  • Harmonic dictation
  • Polyphonic dictation

Keep in mind that you'll do these with a concurrent course in theoretical topics.

I should also emphasize that having a good command of theory is of tremendous help to developing your ear; a lot of what we do, especially for hard-to-hear things like inner voices in a thick texture, is logical inference based on things we know. There's a video by Sean Wilson that demonstrates this nicely.

 

A movement from Poglietti's "Toccatina sopra la Ribellione di Hungheria" and a fugue by Kerll. The description of the video mentions:

Those familiar with Johann Kaspar Kerll are likely wondering why a work of his is in the latter half of the piece?

The album this recording originated from was put together as an attempt to show off a bunch of baroque pieces with wide texture variety, most of which were chamber works aside from this one solo harpsichord recording. These two works were put together as complimentary/creative efforts to form a full varied piece, Poglietti being the first half and Kerll the second half. It is also worth noting that Alessandro Poglietti and Johann Kaspar Kerll were very close acquaintances and friends.

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Welcome to Ethnomusicology! (self.ethnomusicology)
 

Welcome to our community for the discussion of ethnomusicology and world music. Ethnomusicology is the study of how humans interact with music on a cultural level. Ethnomusicologists typically focus on music outside of the Western European classical repertoire, but anything is fair game. The main distinction is ethnomusicology's method, which is anthropological and ethnographic.

This community is related to the subreddit of the same name: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethnomusicology. For more information and resources, visit the /r/Ethnomusicology wiki (in progress). Since this server is new, there is not yet much content, but don't be discouraged—post your questions and comments so that we can start building a repository of answers.

 

What would you consider to be essential reading for a newcomer to musicology? I took an "Intro to Musicology" course in grad school, but the readings were diffuse, dealing with historiography that wasn't necessarily music-oriented before peppering in some more pointed (but maybe too specific) case studies. I'm wondering if there's a good introductory tome you like to use, or at least some seminal books and papers that make the rest of the discipline make sense.

 

A nice literature review and discussion about oral and written transmission of music.

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