Veltoss

All the mindless circlejerking and echochambers. I hope the federation helps split up communities about the same topic which should help prevent echochambers from being as strong, and keep people seeing more information and opinions about the same topic.

I was so tired of seeing blatant lies and misinformation being spread just because it fit people's narratives. Like those "dawn project" tesla videos, people hate musk so much (which I'm sure all the much worse billionaires love), so they feel they must hate teslas too, so they keep spreading those videos that have been debunked and proven incredibly questionable that were made by a competitor that's been failing to compete. That's just one tiny example. Don't even get me started on the outright lights and misinformation people spread about crypto.

And of course if anyone ever tried to correct anyone, share actual facts, real articles from trusted sources, anything that went against a particular thread's circlejerk, you would just be harassed, personally insulted, and downvoted immediately. It was so hilarious and sad spending time responding to someone's bullshit with real information and a real argument just for them to do a one-liner personal insult based on nothing, because they knew they didn't actually have anything but the circlejerk is all that really ever mattered.

I'm ranting, but this attitude people have of just not caring about reality when the lies fit what the circlejerking hivemind wants is one of my biggest gripes about modern internet and it's incredibly dangerous. It's exactly the mindset that trump supporters have that allows them to believe whatever the fuck they want and that led to people dying at the capitol, and it's the type of mindset that will eventually lead to far worse things if social media companies don't do more to combat misinformation and echochambers.

Man I'd love that. I feel like we will soon honestly. I just hope the lemmy/Kbin apps bring these other federated projects inside, so we can do it all on one app too.

/slap speaker_hat

*Veltoss slaps speaker_hat around with a large trout.

Something I always hated about some reddit mods is when they'd just lock and nuke a whole thread instead of targeting the people who were the problem. I get it's a volunteer job and you can't do that when it's two thousand comments but sometimes they're important topics on an important forum, I'd rather see a "unmoderated" flag put on a thread that has gone out of control than see it completely shut down.

Maybe some alternatives to completely nuking threads, like an "unmoderated" tag for large threads that have gotten away from mod teams that they don't want to just kill, could be a unique feature that could be implemented. Apps could give a "this thread is unmoderated and it's contents might not follow community guidelines" warning, which users could disable if they wanted. It'd be a nice alternative to shutting down discussions entirely.

How does Pinterest get around this then? They pollute image searches like crazy, and require you to login to see anything. At least they did, I blocked them from searches so maybe it's different now.

I don't think he has near as many fanboys as the musk circlejerkers on reddit always made it out to seem. I barely ever see anyone genuinely fanboy him anymore, at most many are neutral to him while still thinking he's an idiot.

I think reddit (and social media in general) just has a habit of giving megaphones to "the other side", no matter how small it actually is, so they can have someone to appear to argue against so it doesn't look like they're yelling at a wall.

This is pretty much what I was going to say and covers the basics. The trick is to learn your individual succulents needs through trial and error.

Unfortunately that's harder with the thin leaved ones, but most of those can just be watered more frequently and you'll be fine. I've found some of them even like being watered almost as frequently as normal plants as long as the soil they're in is right.

Just don't forget this if you change their location to a hotter sunnier window and forget to check on them until their "usual" watering time from their last cooler location.. I can say from experience that they don't appreciate it.

But I like my meowmeowbeans!

I don't think karma was ever really that big of an issue, the problem was the belief that karma meant something. Mods and admins treated karma like it meant legitimacy, like a sybil test, and it's not. Also the upvote/downvote system got so destroyed by misuse and a complete disregard for reddiquette, and often gets combined with karma, but that's a seperate issue.

The points never really mattered until people decided they did.

I've been on the internet long enough to say it won't. It will last a long time depending on the design of the system that creates the communities (mods, upvotes/downvotes, rules, algorithms, etc), but even that is limited because eventually every community reaches the size it needs to to encourage toxicity, echo chambers, circlejerks, and attracting even more toxic people from outside the communities.

It took reddit many years to start reaching that point though, I hope it takes these federated sites longer. And hopefully due to their design, they can keep most of the toxic people isolated.

Part of it was the platform getting worse, sure. All the reasons others said, the algorithm getting worse, the API, etc.

A big part of it is the people. The more people from Facebook and Tumblr and other big apps came to reddit the worse it got. It also happened at a time that subreddits and the algorithms and rules were creating stronger echo chambers. What it created was incredibly toxic braindead circlejerks.

I'm so tired of the braindead circlejerks. Basically everything was. I'm so tired of seeing copy pasted musk threads where everyone tells everyone else how much they hate musk saying the same lines over and over, for example. Or repeating the same misinformation about topics they're fired up about because it fits their bias, while also complaining about misinformation. Pushing the dawn project videos for Tesla circlejerks or literally anything related to crypto for example.

I hope one of these new forums or social media sites popping up creates good communities and somehow avoids creating these echo chambers and reinforcing them with their algorithms, moderation, general design, etc.

I miss old reddit and old forums and IRC so much these days. They weren't perfect but they weren't as bad as modern social media.