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[–] Fried_out_Kombi 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In addition to what others have said, parking lots are also an easy and cheap way to keep vacant land for speculative purposes.

Basically, our current property tax system allows you to buy a vacant lot, sit on it for a number of years while paying pennies in taxes (because a vacant lot or a parking lot is very low value, even if the land is very high value), and then resell for a much higher price after the city has grown around it. Basically no work, but tons of free profit.

The remedy? Tax land instead. That way, your tax burden is based on the value of your land, not the value of your improvements, so that this form of land speculation becomes uneconomical, while also strongly incentivizing you to develop something more valuable, e.g., housing, offices, etc.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, my worry is they just turn genuine intrinsic motivation into mundane extrinsic motivation. Kids should want to do things out of pure curiosity and interest, not solely because they'll receive prizes for it. It's why I like legos so much as a kid; they're a toy without any external prize or motivator that you play with purely for the desire to create.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 7 points 8 months ago

That's the funny thing about Adam Smith is he was suuuuuper anti-landlord and suuuuuper anti-crony capitalist, and yet rich folks have co-opted his ideas and warped them into somehow being pro-landlord and pro-crony capitalist. Some quotes:

The rent of the land, therefore, considered as the price paid for the use of the land, is naturally a monopoly price. It is not at all proportioned to what the landlord may have laid out upon the improvement of the land, or to what he can afford to take; but to what the farmer can afford to give.

-- Ch 11, Wealth of Nations

As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for its natural produce.

-- Adam Smith

[the landlord leaves the worker] with the smallest share with which the tenant can content himself without being a loser, and the landlord seldom means to leave him any more.

-- Ch 11, Wealth of Nations

The landlord demands a rent even for unimproved land, and the supposed interest or profit upon the expense of improvement is generally an addition to this original rent. Those improvements, besides, are not always made by the stock of the landlord, but sometimes by that of the tenant. When the lease comes to be renewed, however, the landlord commonly demands the same augmentation of rent as if they had been all made by his own.

-- Ch 11, Wealth of Nations

RENT, considered as the price paid for the use of land, is naturally the highest which the tenant can afford to pay in the actual circumstances. In adjusting the lease, the landlord endeavours to leave him no greater share of the produce than what is sufficient to keep up the stock.

-- Ch 11, Wealth of Nations

[Landlords] are the only one of the three orders whose revenue costs them neither labour nor care, but comes to them, as it were, of its own accord, and independent of any plan or project of their own. That indolence, which is the natural effect of the ease and security of their situation, renders them too often, not only ignorant, but incapable of that application of mind.

-- Ch 11, Wealth of Nations

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 3 points 8 months ago

Yeah, I certainly don't regret moving to Montreal, as it's where I met my wife and now where I'm working full-time. But yeah, I got the sense that attending Rose-Hulman would have meant being in a college bubble for 4 years and never doing much outside of that bubble.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 8 points 8 months ago

One big upside is road wear and tear. Damage to roads from vehicle weight is proportional to the axle weight raised to the fourth power, meaning heavy vehicles like trucks do the vaaaaast majority of road wear. Steel tracks can carry much heavier loads.

Another is train boxcars can be unloaded from the side, in parallel, unlike trucks that need to be unloaded from a small opening in the back.

Another is it's easier to electrify, and you don't need rubber tires, so you avoid a lot of emissions (CO2 from fossil fuels and particulate matter from tires).

Finally, you need an asphalt road to support trucks. With cargo trams, you can have non-impervious surfaces like grass that no other cars can drive on, meaning you don't accidentally induce demand for passenger cars when building infrastructure for commercial trucks.

And yeah, a big downside of course is needing way more tramways, but I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing to have. Just makes the switchover longer and costlier.

That said, I think trams make most sense for bigger stores, e.g., grocery stores. For regular Amazon deliveries? Not so much. For those, neighborhood electric vehicles (basically glorified golf carts) are probably more suitable. Most delivery vans run well below cargo capacity most of the time anyways, meaning they don't really benefit that much from the capacity of a larger vehicle.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 3 points 8 months ago

http://gameofrent.com/content/can-land-be-accurately-assessed

The key downsides of income taxes, though, are it requires tracking everyone's income, and it's very easy to hide income by doing under-the-table work and getting paid in cash. In contrast, it's impossible to hide land.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Wow, even Terre Haute. Almost went there for college (Rose-Hulman), but decided against it in part because the city itself was so small and sprawling. It must've been 1000x livelier back in the streetcar days when things were probably more densely built and less obscenely car-centric.

Also, Trump got elected, so I was like, "Nah, I'm moving to Canada", which is how I ended up in Montreal instead.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 7 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Similar with Montreal. A whole grid of streetcar lines just got torn up and replaced with buses. We now have a nice metro now at least, but it certainly wasn't made from pre-existing tramways.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think part of the problem is that what we refer to as landlording includes two separate roles: landlording and property management. The former isn't a legitimate job, gathering its profits from economic rents borne of land and housing scarcity, while the latter is a legitimate job, earning its profits from the labor of managing and maintaining rental housing.

And so with a sufficiently high LVT, approaching the full rental value of land as Henry George proposed, and a much more YIMBY regulatory environment, I think we would likely see landlords converge towards being mere property managers.

That said, you are fully correct that the non-zero costs of moving would still give landlords a little leeway to rent-seek, and I'm curious what solutions may exist to remedy that.

Regardless of whether it 100% solves landlording, I do think LVT and YIMBYism do largely solve real estate "investment" as the meme talks about. Since LVT and abundant housing stop the "line goes up" phenomenon, and LVT in particular punishes real estate speculation, I think they would largely, if not entirely, eliminate the phenomenon of people buying up land/property just to resell later after appreciation. Because, well, housing wouldn't appreciate under a sufficiently heavy LVT and a strong YIMBY regulatory environment.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Land value tax would fix this

And abolishing exclusionary zoning, parking minimums, and other anti-housing land use policies

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Me, too. I really wish cities had streets where no cars were allows, and where you had wide pedestrian paths, nice bike paths, and grassy tram tracks. Preferably with mature shade trees forming a canopy over the whole space.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Granted, the one above is ugly, but there are/were others:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CarGoTram

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  2. no starbucks
  3. no iphones
  4. no spending
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Image transcript:

  • caption: "state DOTs presenting their groundbreaking solutions to traffic"
  • image: stock photo of people in business attire holding up a poster together with the text "just one more lane bro"
 

Image transcript:

The "we are not the same" meme template, but here it says, "You want dense, walkable, transit-oriented cities because you love the vibrancy and convenience of urban life. I want dense, walkable, transit-oriented cities because I don't want endless suburbs to encroach on the peace and tranquility of rural life. We are natural allies."

 

Caption: when you want the government to dictate that everyone live in cookie-cutter houses with cookie-cutter lawns and drive cookie-cutter cars

Image below: an image from the miniseries "Chernobyl" of a Soviet officer shaking hands with several people dressed up in protective suits, saying, "I serve the Soviet Union"

Note that this meme is meant to make fun of NIMBYs who spread the conspiracy theories about 15-minute cities being some evil communist plot to take away their freedom

 
 

Image transcript:

The "what if you wanted to go to heaven, but god said ____" meme template, but here it says, "What if you wanted to walk to get groceries, but city planners said DRIVE". The last panel is an image of a massive freeway full of cars.

 

This video goes over 25 urbanist improvements made in Montreal against car dependency/domination in just the past few years.

 

I was watching this talk while rebuilding a big docker container at work, and it gave a surprise shout-out to Henry George's Progress and Poverty, in the context of how Google and other tech "platforms" have turned themselves into digital landlords.

 

Property owners in Edmonton will be able to build three-storey apartment buildings, townhouses, rowhouses or duplexes with up to eight units in any residential area citywide starting next year.

Edmonton city council voted 11-2 Monday morning to pass the revised zoning bylaw, which ends so-called “exclusionary” zoning that limited many residential zones to only single-family homes plus garden or backyard suites. Councillors Jennifer Rice and Karen Principe were opposed. The law comes into effect Jan. 1.

 

“A lot of people don’t realize, one of the reasons that certain communities in this country don’t have enough homes is because it’s literally illegal to build the kinds of homes that people could live in,” Fraser said on Friday.

In much of the country, zoning restrictions mean developers are only allowed to build either single-family homes or condo towers in residential areas. There is a huge chunk of housing options, often referred to as “missing middle housing,” that does not get built.

 
 

Image transcript:

An old sepia photograph of a billboard on a piece of vacant land. The sign reads:

"EVERYBODY WORKS BUT THE VACANT LOT"

I paid $3600 for this lot and will hold 'till I get $6000. The profit is unearned increment made possible by the presence of this community and enterprise of its people. I take the profit without earning it. For the remedy read "HENRY GEORGE".

Yours Truly, Fay Lewis

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