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I think it's pretty safe to say that the majority of us are here to avoid another corporate takeover of our preferred platforms. It would seem to me to be a tad irresponsible to allow Facebook into our space with open arms, allowing them to hoover up our data. I would love to keep using Lemmy.world, but will happily change instances if need be, and I feel many share that sentiment.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (14 children)

This is like saying "my email provider should block all emails from Gmail".

And they can hoover your data right now. Like, you think bots aren't spidering the site already? It's a public website.

[–] PopOfAfrica 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I actually think this demonstrates the exact problem. The reason you can't do that at the email level is because Google has taken over the entire email space. Ideally, we don't let threads do that.

Nowadays you have services like Outlook blocking emails Tutanota for "spam protection". I'd really rather threads not get so big that they can start dictating how the Feduverse operates in that fashion.

As I said down thread, the easiest way to get information with the structure of activity pub is to have a bunch of users and that is because the only way information gets transmitted to a server is by caching it based on post interactions.

That is exactly what millions of thread users in the Fedeverse would accomplish.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Would email be better if you couldn't send/receive emails from people with Gmail accounts?

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[–] laverabe 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Absolutely the same for me. Threads must not be allowed.

[–] ieightpi 15 points 11 months ago (11 children)

People who keep touting the point that defederating from Meta means we are cutting people off from fediverse are picturing this situation wrong. Based on what I've read, people see this little island of people compared to the mainland where there will be physical barrier because shouldnt tear down the bridge.

But the net isnt like that. People have just as much freedom creating a Threads account as they do a Lemmy or Mastodon account.

And don't say that the fediverse is too difficult to understand for the average person. That kind of rhetoric is what will push people away.

Everyone needs to be patient with growth. It's not going to happen in a year just like it took years for reddit to grow. I do believe that more and more people will be interested in the fediverse once they realize that corporate oversight is non existent here. And that can only happen if we keep the major instances disconnected from Meta or any for profit company.

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[–] Donjuanme 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If meta wants to data farm lemmy, what's to stop them from hosting a 1 user instance, being federated with lemmy, and....? Profit?

I'm not worried about information going that way, it's an open source deal, information is already going that way.

As for getting more content from another instance? I'm not against it, as long as it's regulated, and at risk of defederation if it gets out of hand

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Any admins of Lemmy.world reading this? Can we tag them?

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[–] Icaria 13 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I thought Threads was supposed to be a competitor to twitter? I don't understand how they'd even integrate with Lemmy instances. I'm here to see posts from boards/forums/subs, not from specific people. Would posts from random Threads user profiles start showing up on the main page?

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[–] QaspR 11 points 11 months ago

I am in agreement on this one.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName 11 points 11 months ago

Fuck anything and everything about Meta. Don't let them near this.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Threads will kill the Fediverse and chuds welcome it with open arms.

[–] hal_5700X 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Threads will kill the Fediverse...

How?

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[–] Rognaut 10 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I will absolutely change instances to one which has defederated from FB.

[–] MajorHavoc 9 points 11 months ago

I'm planning the same.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (14 children)

What public info could they gather? My IP?

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[–] Clbull 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not worried about Threads joining the fediverse. They can't even properly implement hashtags and trending topics, which already puts them far behind Mastodon and X.

Also, how would users on a microblogging platform be able to interact with a Lemmy instance? I'm a bit confused about how ActivityPub works in that respect.

The 'they can farm our data' argument is a bit moot when Lemmy is already publicly accessible, and it makes us no better than Spez if we are trying to combat people for 'data scraping"

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