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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by Starbuck to c/vinyl
 

I have an older turntable, Philips GE 212 form the 70’s, that I got from a relative. I’ve had to do some modest repairs so far, and I’m still getting more surface noise than I think I should be hearing. Just an occasional pop every once in a while. My most recent project was replacing the needle I came with (AT DR300e) with a newer cartridge (AT VMN95e). I thought that was going to be then end of it. It does sound very good, a lot of depth, but I still get the pops.

I have a little record brush, and I don’t see any apparent dust. The air is pretty dry because it’s cold here and my heat is running.

I’m worried that there might be something wrong with how the cartridge is connected to the head shell, because it has these flimsy connectors that don’t hold tight anymore after 40+ years. The Philips 212 has a distinctive head shell, and I can’t find replacement wires. I wouldn’t be opposed to replacing the head shell next, if it’s necessary.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Have you tried with new vinyl or old ones? If you have any new ones try them out, it makes a huge difference. If you have older ones like from a relative, they might have been "plowed" with some bad old needles, like ceramic cartridges which used to be more popular in the past and which require much more weight by design.
Also is your brush anti-static? Static electricity can often be the cause of pops.

I think in the end, even with new, clean, static-free vinyl, it'll still have a significantly higher noise floor than a CD/mp3/YouTube/etc...

Edit: no comment regarding the headshell because I'm not familiar with that kind of design but looks fine from the pictures.

[–] Starbuck 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, we have a mixture of old and new vinyl.

Do you know how real the burn in on a new stylus is?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do you know how real the burn in on a new stylus is?

Can't say I "know". Like I haven't taken the same cartridge, ran it for a bunch (but not too much!) to burn in, and then did a blind AB comparison with a brand new one to listen for differences.

Personally I don't believe in any kind of audio equipment burn in. I don't think manufacturers put out a product that would require the user to burn in the equipment for hundreds of hours before reaching its max potential. I think it makes sense that they'd want to release the product in an excellent state to impress potential buyers and reviewers.

To me it sounds like typical audiofool quackery but you can test it out and draw your own conclusions, or you can choose to believe in a little magic if that's what makes you happy. Won't hurt anyone but your wallet :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I think some of the super high end cartridges will certainly open up after being broken in. Things like this video go through the first hundred or so hours of the Hana Umami Red.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Have you cleaned the records? That's where you will see the biggest improvement. Beyond that I can recommend a rubber record mat. You can pick one up on Amazon for $10-$20.

[–] Starbuck 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’ve just ordered some nicer anti-static sleeves, hopefully that helps with my newer records.

What do you use to clean records? I keep seeing the spin-clean show up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I just use a hand held padded velvet brush type thing, with some cleaning spray. You can actually wash them with soapy water and a rag if they're really bad, just make sure to rinse all the soap off. They sell special spinner things that wash with a solution along the bottom, so you don't accidentally get the labels wet, but those are more money than I wanted to spend. For records that I purchased new, I use the padded thing. For old vintage records I get at the thrift store, I rinse them with water and wipe them down along the grooves with a dusting rag, then just use the padded thing. I clean them every time I pull them out, before playing them. Some old records still pop every now and then, which I attribute to record damage, not anything wrong with my system. I kind of dig it, since it adds to the charm.

[–] Starbuck 2 points 11 months ago

That sounds pretty easy. Thanks for the tip!

[–] Starbuck 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I thought I could attach more than one image. new cartridge, notice the white ground that i had to hold in with a sleeve

original cartridge

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just get a decent record player with an Ortofon ;)

[–] Starbuck 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I’m certainly leaning that direction. Some of those Fluances look really nice.