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During a press conference with President Joe Biden in Washington, President Volodymyr Zelensky addressed the question of whether Ukraine would be ready to cede territory for the sake of peace by calling the idea "absolute madness."

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago

He's right. Ceding territory will only strengthen Russia's hand in the future.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

I feel like it is such a bad argument to make, that Ukraine barter territory.

Like as an American, are we supposed to give parts of Alaska away because we armed Ukraine?

After all, we wouldn't want to upset Russia, right?

Stupid argument, but I hope it drives the point home.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Land was ceded. It was Crimea. It didnt bring peace.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

@lusterko he is right.

realistically, everything in russia belongs to ukraine now as reparations.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

On the topic of peace and peace talks, that Zelensky also mentioned in Argentina, this is the first issue that comes to my mind: territory.

Ukraine ceding occupied territory to Russia – why would they do this? It would be a reward for Russia for conducting an illegal invasion. It would be a terrible precedent, showing the world that it's a doable and acceptable procedure, where you get to keep stuff at the end.

Russia returning occupied territory to Ukraine – why would they do this? It's what they came for and so far they can militarily hold onto it. Making them stop the occupation needs an incentive. But what could that be? From who? Financial? Political? In what magnitude? Wouldn't giving Russia anything then again also be a reward? They invaded, occupied for a while and then get some goodies for leaving?

I really don't know how the plans in the drawers all over the world look, from people that are in decision making positions. And we haven't even started about reparations for war damages yet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

We even have the recent example of Russia taking Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 not stopping Russia from continued aggression.