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I'm pretty new to Python and discovered the nicely presented PEP8 coding style guide linked in the post. Stumbling onto The Hitchhiker’s Guide to Python! has been a very helpful compliment to the official Python Documentaion

Hopefully this post will help others getting familiar with Python.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

@ericjmorey any guide that even mentions Python 2 is probably outdated and should be met with caution.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for your words of caution. I've copied below what the author has to say about Python 2 vs Python 3:

Picking a Python Interpreter (3 vs 2) — The Hitchhiker's Guide to Python

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The State of Python (3 & 2)

When choosing a Python interpreter, one looming question is always present: “Should I choose Python 2 or Python 3”? The answer is a bit more subtle than one might think.

The basic gist of the state of things is as follows:

1 - Most production applications today use Python 3.
2 - Python 3 is ready for the production deployment of applications today.
3 - Python 2 reached the end of its life on January 1, 2020 [6].
4 - The brand name “Python” encapsulates both Python 3 and Python 2.

Recommendations

Note

The use of Python 3 is highly recommended over Python 2. Consider upgrading your applications and infrastructure if you find yourself still using Python 2 in production today. If you are using Python 3, congratulations — you are indeed a person of excellent taste. —Kenneth Reitz

I’ll be blunt:

Use Python 3 for new Python applications. If you’re learning Python for the first time, familiarizing yourself with Python 2.7 will be very useful, but not more useful than learning Python 3. Learn both. They are both “Python”.

So…. 3?

If you’re choosing a Python interpreter to use, I recommend you use the newest Python 3.x, since every version brings new and improved standard library modules, security and bug fixes.

Given such, only use Python 2 if you have a strong reason to, such as a pre-existing code-base, a Python 2 exclusive library, simplicity/familiarity, or, of course, you absolutely love and are inspired by Python 2. No harm in that.

Further Reading

It is possible to write code that works on Python 2.6, 2.7, and Python 3. This ranges from trivial to hard depending upon the kind of software you are writing; if you’re a beginner there are far more important things to worry about.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

@ericjmorey Why are you copying part of an article you've already linked to? I'm not sure what your point is.

My point is very simple: don’t spend any time on even considering Python 2. The fact the author spent so much time on it shows it's quite an old guide. (The dates in the git repo confirms this.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The resource is about exactly this type of information. It's not a resource that contains code examples. It has concisely presented information about things that aren't in the Python documentation or is overly technical and verbose in the documentation. It's a stepping stone providing context to getting more (and more current) resources.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

@ericjmorey Except it's outdated. Here, I'll write a new paragraph for you: "When you start to learn Python, start with Python 3.10. If you at some point come across an codebase using older versions, you'll have learned enough to get to grips with the differences outlined in Python documentation." There, that's all you need to know.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

What is outdated exactly? How has it bee useful to me while still being outdated?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Any dev who pretends Python 2 doesn't exist should probably look around a bit more. Damn legacy code.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Seconding this. For someone that doesn't know anything about Python, there are vital aspects of Python 2 that need to be covered.

In the context of learning a language, most of the time, a lower version number doesn't mean that much. In the case of Python 2, there are fundamental incompatibilities - and, as you say, it's still out there, and when your see it, you need to know what that means.

Maybe you don't choose a library or a piece of software if you notice it. Maybe you get a legacy code base dumped on your lap. This shit happens.