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[–] Ech 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

GoW is barely an rpg, let alone "more" of an rpg than one of the most rpg-centric franchise around. What a dumb take. Typical ign.

[–] newthrowaway20 1 points 1 year ago

It's way more of an RPG than 16. But that's about it.

[–] helloharu 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

After thinking about it, I do wonder if it was click-bait. It certainly comes across that way in hindsight.

[–] Ech 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Likely as anything else. Rage-bait is the core of "content" these days. It's why I pretty much refuse to click through any link like that. At least here they don't get the benefit of ad views or algorithm tuning.

[–] helloharu 1 points 2 years ago

I think you’re making the right call not to click through.

[–] AusatKeyboardPremi 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would not take IGN’s reviews and editorials seriously. They lost their credibility long back, IMO.

I view IGN more of a marketing platform for mainstream games.

[–] helloharu 4 points 2 years ago

Oh I definitely don’t take them seriously on a whole.

[–] Hildegarde 4 points 2 years ago

The term RPG is so broad as to be pretty meaningless. When anything from a turn based strategy game, to a first person immersive sim, or third person cover shooter can all be RPGs, the term really doesn't say much. RPG doesn't define any specific core gameplay loop, or any specific mechanic set. To say something is or is not an RPG doesn't really tell you anything.

There is a big difference between western RPGs and JRPGs. These are two very distinct styles that took inspiration from different parts of the tabletop experience.

Western RPGs are generally designed around player expression, and generally begin with a character creation screen. You are playing as your character and making your choices.

JRPGs focus much on the party aspect. Tabletop RPGs are collaborative, you play with friends to tell the story of an group of adventurers. JRPGs take that aspect of the experience as the starting point. The game tells the story of this adventuring party. Player choice and expression is rarely the core engagement. You are following their story.

FF XVI follows this mold pretty accurately. The gameplay is very much that of a spectacle fighter, and you only control one character directly, but XVI is a game about the adventures of a party. Clive is almost never alone in his travels. Despite the shift in gameplay, the structure of the game as a whole is completely in line with this style of RPG.

The author's main complaint is about a lack of player choice. This seems completely at odds with the kind of game this is. Every game he cites to illustrate his points are western developed games. He's criticizing FF XVI for not following the conventions of very different games with very different goals, solely because they are part of a very broad and unspecific genre. It's meaningless.

[–] Kerlewis 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Does anyone have any initial thoughts on the game, in comparison to other final fantasies?

I’m a patient gamer so I’ll play eventually, just curious.

[–] helloharu 3 points 2 years ago

I’m in the middle of playing it. I’m having an absolute blast at the moment and think it’s a great entry in the franchise. Gameplay, story and music are great. Visuals and voice acting are both stunning. I know so of this maybe recency bias but there’s little I can criticise it hard about at the moment. Is it perfect though? No.

[–] helloharu 2 points 2 years ago

Forgot the link to the article. I don’t really agree with it, especially trying to say XVI might not even be an RPG. Strange article as a whole.

Thoughts?