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I'm a software engineer by trade but I figured the instance call programming.dev would most likely be run by someone who knew what they were doing when it came to running a lemmy instance and would most likely be the most stable. :P
Same exact boat, and also assumed if there were going to be any difficulties scaling this would probably be the best community able to tackle it lol
Lemmy.world is ran by a pro. Dude runs one of the most used mastodon instances. The fact that Programming.dev is stable while .world is not quite so, is purely due to the amount of users. Get 80k on this instance and you will see what happens..
This is 4D chess right here. I didn’t consider this when signing up.
Man, this place definately has the vibe of an old timey BB forum. You recognise people in your replies like you used to. I find that I'm gawking at stats way less and I'm able to just talk to people. Engagement is way less, but maybe that's a good thing.
It's so refreshing. It feels like the old internet
It really does feel like the old web again to a certain extent. I hope this "age of enshittification" leads to a throwback to the old web but I'm not convinced it will happen. I feel like Lemmy (and other federation platforms) are definitely our best shot at it :)
Anyway, happy to be here :)
I would much rather have fewer more engaging conversations than the circus Reddit was. Sure it had more conversation but sometimes that felt more isolating since every comment became transactional noise. Really hoping I can find the sweet spot on Lemmy!
There's a Lemmy frontend that fully emulates a phpBB board. It's kind of amazing.
Seeing this just felt like unlocking a bunch of core memories.
You recognise people in your replies like you used to.
This is pretty cool. I'm still active on some older traditional forums, but I love this style of threaded discussions in comment trees here. So much easier to reply to an individual in wall-of-text discussions. I think we'll also start recognizing each other by account birthdays, with a wave of folks all having similar ones in June and July. 📅
Ya know; perfect time to shout out the admins here. Thanks for this little terrific instance. I have an account on BeeHaw, I just never leave here.
No drama, just polls about icons. Easy.
Programming.dev with local filter is a good replacement for /r/programming for me. I am loving it here.
And it doesn't have all of the shitty low effort self promotion articles (yet)!
Hang on, I need to plagiarize a guide for setting up React and Redux and put it on my blog and pretend it’s mine for job hopping optimization and internet street cred…
Yep, though federation syncing is really slowing down. This post from [email protected] is at 44 comments from programming.dev but 112 comments on the beehaw instance.
So the "true" state of a post is always in it's instance of origin
No, federation is directional, so even if everything synced perfectly and instantly it wouldn't be the true version. Take this example. There is an instance that is federated with no one, but every instance is federated with it. Every other instance would see everything there but the instance it is hosted on wouldn't see any. There's no reason to say the version hosted there is the true one when it lacks so much of the conversation.
Also comments can lag when syncing to the main instance in the same way they can lag coming from the main one. All you can really say is that when viewing a post on an instance it has the true version of all of that instance's users comments.
Glad you are enjoying it, though to be honest I do hope this grows to be a decently sized programming community. A lot of the threads are quite dead currently.
IMO for being a niche instance (programming) on a niche platform (Lemmy) it is doing extremely well. Thank you!
I never really understood what's appealing about participating in a community with gazillions of users where any attempt to have a conversation is buried under thousands of replies. Not even talking about the amount of trolling or aggressive commenters.
I think smaller places suit me better, and I am grateful that smaller instances like this one have emerged as a result of the latest happenings with Reddit.
I find I like having both.
Smaller communities / more quiet threads where I really participate and get in a conversation with people. Other times I just like having a lot of different threads with a lot of different information etc.
There's an appeal to having limitless content, but it does become addictive. Having a slower pace is a good thing.
I left Reddit shortly after the spez's AMA before I found Lemmy and for a week I did feel a little out of touch since I didn't like the feeds on other social networks or sites. Lemmy gives me that feeling of being up to date with the internet without being endless which I think is much healthier.
There’s an appeal to having limitless content, but it does become addictive. Having a slower pace is a good thing.
You know that's a great point I hadn't considered..
I think the fediverse will function the best if everyone is split across many instances. As soon as one or several become dominant, the way they do things becomes the norm, for good or bad. That and the server load of course.
The problem is most people are confused and overwhelmed by all the instance business to begin with.
It's a UX thing. Users can't be expected to read up on all the technical details of instances and the pros and cons of different ones before signing up. I don't know how it'd work exactly, but they really need a nice and simple "sign up" page that they don't need to think about.
Maybe a list of all the decent instances to use - meaning pretty much all instances that are not catered to a specific niche, open to new users and don't have any defederation drama ongoing - and then a global lemmy signup page can just randomly assign new users to one of those instances.
People just seem to flock to a few popular instances. The join Lemmy website needs to push harder for joining the instance that fits your interests.
Does it make that much of a difference which instance you’re on? I created an account here, but I’m subscribed to communities across the entire fediverse. Defederation can of course come into play, but unless you create an account in each instance that fits your interests I don’t see it making too much of a difference where your account has its home.
It doesn't really matter where you sign up, of course unless your instance is defederated. Users just tend to funnel towards a few instances, putting some strain on the instance's servers instead of everyone being more dispersed. Lemmy.world is pretty slow right now due to the influx of users going there.
Could you explain a bit more? I am new to lemmy (reddit exile) and I thought the instances are like servers and they communicate between each other.
What do you mean by instance that fits your interest?
Thanks.
It's more of a way to try to spread out the users and communities by interests. Also decreasing the server load for the instances. Instead of having 90% of the users and a majority of the communities on Lemmy.world that is basically having everyone centralized again and the website goes dark if their servers fail.
I cannot explain the exact details but I remember during the first great Twitter exodus some people discovered a drawback in the ActivityPup protocol that seems to cause performance issues when very influencial users post on a small/under powered instance.
Because communicating all that stuff to many other instances is more costly than spreading it only to people on the same instance. So technically speaking large instances have a performance advantage and must just scale accordingly to the user number.
Everyone agreed that this need to change in oder to ensure a healthy federated ecosystem but I don't think it was be fixed by now.
I am noticing a lot of comments from lemmy.world communities can't be seen from my other accounts like lemmy.ca or programming.dev.
Aside from that, I think it's nice to be on a smaller instance.
I can't even access the lemmy.world instance. It just always errors out for me.
But I like the idea of smaller servers that specialize in a specific hobby/interest/topic and then all the /c/ communities can be centred around that topic and moderated appropriately. I think it leads to better discussion between people looking for programming topics.
This is my favorite place on the internet.
When will the first Lemmy instances permanently shut down again because of high resource usage/costs?
I was thinking if an instance owner cannot afford to keep upgrading servers, it could close its doors to new registrations. This will create a need for more instances and users will be more evenly distributed.
But it's my understanding that resource usage will keep increasing even if you keep the number of users constant on a server (as more content is posted in the communities that users are subscribed to, and that content needs to be synced and stored).
If anything, this is the month where we'll find out... A lot of medium/large instances have made the jump to dedi servers and keeping those up isn't cheap
Happy to be federated with you, good sir.
this instance has been a beast, so solid
Is there a way to synchronise or migrate followed communities between accounts on different instances? I'd quite like to sign up to others, but I'm way too lazy to re-follow every single community.
Is there really such a big influx of users migrating specifically TODAY, of all days? I guessed most interested users, like us, did in advance these last 3-4 weeks.
I wish there was a way to see the traffic of different instances in (mostly) real time.
The 3rd party apps are shut down. We're (You and I) are the "first movers" of this initial migration. Basically the choices are to move to the Reddit App, stop using anything like Reddit, or here.. (ActivityPub like sites)
Not a member of programming.dev but i find it nice to be on a small homeserver too
Programming.dev is a nice home base!
I’ve migrated from a tiny one to this one, I don’t know why, but I always gravitate towards the smaller communities.
Runs smooth here too :)
^Edit:^ ^typo^
This is the way (in the fediverse)
Reddthat here ~ we are alive and well too