Nothing like taking more hostages to torture in your terror prisons while preaching about Western values.
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Nothing like starting a war by killing 1200 innocent civilians and taking over 200 hostage
aljazeera.com - Bias and Credibility
Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: Qatar
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: LIMITED FREEDOM
Media Type: TV Station
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY
Ah yes, there is nothing more credible than mediabiasfactcheck.com, the be-all end-all judge of what is and isn't trustworthy.
Times of Israel - Bias and Credibility
Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: HIGH
Country: Israel
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: MODERATE FREEDOM
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY
You're kidding, right?
I am not kidding. Answering to your comment a bit lower as well:
There is no need to explain the methodology as it is very well explained on their website https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/methodology/
Everyone is throwing propaganda at each other in these times, there is a lot of false information floating around. This website tries to structure the chaos a bit. It won't be always right and can't deliver truth, but it does a very important job - assessing the credibility of media sources.
You might not be satisfied with their assessment, and that's okay. A look into your profile let it seem you might be subject to your own bias too. Maybe you could consider consuming some news sources additionally to Al Jazeera, just to get a more complete picture of reality - and no, it doesn't have to be the times of israel.
Times of israel is straight up IDF propaganda. Get out of here with your "fact check" bullshit. israelis truly have no limit to their shamelessness.
I did not know the times of israel before you mentioned it. Neither did I compare it to Aljazeera, you did.
I'm sticking to my opinion that fact checking is important, especially with topics like the israel-palastine-conflict. And people should know Aljazeera is a Qatari news agency with strong own agenda. This fact does not imply the article content you posted is wrong, neither did I say this.
No idea if you called me israeli or if you think israeli is an insult. But it is alarming to me and it seems to me you are more part of the propaganda battle than bringing anything constructive to the table.
What an amazing unbiased left-wing news site. https://www.timesofisrael.com/lebanese-israeli-advocate-on-us-colleges-post-oct-7-many-dont-see-israelis-as-humans/
In Elkhoury’s view, hostility to Israel often comes from a very deep-seated dehumanizing attitude. “A lot of people don’t see Israelis as human beings. That’s why they go and rip off flyers of kidnapped babies.”
I'm not going to disagree that Aljazeera will only show news that is beneficial to the Palestinian cause. However they are NOT randomly making stuff up like we've seen many western news outlets (or even the White House for that matter) do.
If they make a mistake then it is because live-reporting means not all the facts are fully known at the time of filming and/or israel will not allow an independant investigation. Such as the case of the first hospital bombing where all the initial claims (and israel themselves literally saying they were gonna bomb the hospital) pointed towards israel.
My question to you: Do you believe that this Aljazeera article about israel arresting almost as many people as they released is false?
If you read the comment chain again, you will see OP mentioned times of israel first, it is the first time I hear of that news agency.
I also never said that Aljazeera is randomly making stuff up. All I wanted to do is adding something constructive to the discussion. It is impressive how strong the emotions towards a simple bias fact check are, but that just reflects how sensitive the topic in the israel-palestinian war is.
The world is complex and everybody tries to construct a picture of reality that is as complete and objective as possible, and for that we rely on the media. But media is biased and the society you are living in is too.
Reuters is probably less biased then Aljazeera and aljazeera is probably less biased than Fox News. That's how media works.
So what can you do? Consider as many sources as possible, use your ratio, knowledge and experience. And to help you getting an overview of all the thousands of news agencies, you may use a little tool like the one I posted. OP has a profile with posts only from one website, and I say that's sus.
Regarding your last question: I haven't read the article yet tbh.
What is even the goal of your original comment if not to discredit Aljazeera? If their article is false then debunk it. If not there is no point to linking some random bias site that is biased themselves.
Times of israel is straight up IDF propaganda. Get out of here with your “fact check” bullshit. israelis truly have no limit to their shamelessness.
Straight up IDF propaganda, eh. Seriously read that article and claim that again I'll know if you didn't.
They're highly neutral in their factual reporting, textbook journalism, to the point where you don't even get a whiff of political bias if you don't look at opinion pieces.
Posting verbatim propaganda and encapsulating everything in quote marks does not make it non-propaganda. Especially if you're only quoting IDF soldiers and apartheids apologists.
From their front page:
IDF investigating ‘cruel’ Hamas claim that Bibas children, mother killed in Gaza
The word "cruel" has no place in that title other than to try to influence the readers emotion. Furthermore the article then goes on quoting some insane IDF rant how all people killed by bombs in Gaza are actually Khhhamass fault
They also try to use the word "terror" and "terrorist" like five times every sentence...
The only israeli newspaper with some dignity seems to be Haaretz and Netanyahu is currently very angry at them for it.
They put "cruel" in quotation marks because it's IDF's framing, distancing themselves from it. What you're looking at is them 110% reporting what the IDF said without injecting themselves into it. It's what neutral reporting looks like. You read that article when you want to know what the IDF said -- which is, TBH, your morbid curiosity and not my fault. Read something else.
Speaking of: Go back and actually read the article that I linked, as you didn't, or you wouldn't have written what you wrote. Notice something? The exact same kind of neutrality: Reporting on what can be seen on videos that have appeared on the net. Words that they used in that neutral analysis, without quotation marks, include "brutal" and "abuse". With the IDF as perpetrators. Because those are indeed objectively correct terms, thus neutral, describing those videos.
If you think that journalism is only valid if it takes sides when reporting facts then you are, I'm afraid, quite lost indeed. Neutrality is invaluable precisely because they can let the crimes of the IDF stand there, uncommented, and it stings. The absence of narrativation is a power in itself, and they're always quite good when it comes to including relevant context. But yes Haaretz is the other Israeli newspaper with dignity.
There are few articles that are not favorable to the IDF in there but they are few and far between. You could then also say that Aljazeera is fully factual and unbiased since they also publish negative stories about Hamas or Qatar sometimes. And I'm not even going to take the stance that Aljazeera is unbiased.
The word "cruel" in that title is not a quote. It is a word they injected there themselves.
Journalism is impartial when it doesn't try to inject unnecessary fluff wording and presents the facts as they are. Words like "evil" or "cruel" should very rarely be used, especially in this case when somehow an announcement is cruel??
Putting every article (and even titles) full of propaganda quotes that add nothing to the factuality is not unbiased nor is it even factual as most of the IDF quotes are straight up disinformation. Nor are the attributions done to a person. A lot of the time it's "IDF spokesperson said " at which point there's not even a name attached to the quote.
The word “cruel” in that title is not a quote. It is a word they injected there themselves.
Then why is it in quotation marks? How come it occurs in the IDF's description of Hamas' claim? Just coincidence? How come they put it in quotation marks, unlike "brutal" or "abuse" in the IDF one? That's how quotes work in English journalism, at other times people are complaining when e.g. the Guardian titles, say "Crowd impressed by 'beautiful' flower display", using quotes around beautiful because they interviewed someone and 'beautiful' is the term they used, while "crowd impressed" is the Guardian's own judgement of the situation.
A lot of the time it’s "IDF spokesperson said " at which point there’s not even a name attached to the quote.
Statements by IDF spokespersons are not statements of the person but of the IDF.
Seriously, you should brush up on your media competency. But for completeness' sake: Aljazeera English by and large isn't half-bad in most cases, just make sure to not consider them neutral as soon as it concerns anything the Qatari government has a strong opinion about. Also they aren't always properly thorough e.g. Hamas never claimed 500 dead at Al-Shifa.
Half a quote is not a quote. A single word from a quote is not a quote. Either you quote a whole sentence or you don't. Learn what quoting is.
You've seriously never came across those "Crowd impressed by 'beautiful' flower display" headlines? Read more newspapers then I'd say. It's standard practice at least in British and British-influenced journalism, that's not up to debate it's a fact.
Media Bias Fact Check is less reputable than pretty much every site they report on.
They have no credentials to establish their credibility. Seriously, try to find any anything about the people running the site.
Have you? Seems to be founded by a guy called Dave Van Zandt. There is a pretty extensive wikipedia article about the site. It does not seem to be the mighty tool for everything, but there are even scientific studies using that tool.
I mean seriously, why are you doing this?
What credentials does this "Dave Van Zandt" have. What evidence is there that support his credibility?
Scientific studies use it because it's a dataset. Do you want me to point you to the hundreds of shitty datasets that people have used in the past for machine learning work?
You claimed that you can't find anything about the person behind that website, I obviously proved you wrong.
If you want an honest debate I'd suggest to add something constructive instead of only asking questions.
You can ask the same for any other person, institution or news agency.
Everything about the author is what's posted on the website. There's no evidence to back it up: no record of graduation, no evidence of a degree. Dude could say anything and there would be no way to validate it.
That's not true for institutions or news agencies, where the journalists have very public records.
One of these things is not like the other. Can you find the difference?
Or, more inflammatory stories to enrage readers and get clicks.
Does taking prisoners of war really count as arresting them?
If you want to be pedantic: Hamas is not a state actor and its fighters usually don't wear uniforms. They are thus not considered combattants, which in turn means they can't be prisoners of war.
also, saying "we can't be sure who is and isn't hamas" is an ongoing way of further brutalizing Palestinian civilians.
Hamas is the defacto governing agency for the Gaza Strip and should be considered a state actor if the Palestinian government isn't taking action against them.
This comment right here encapsulates a level of ignorance that is hard to believe.
So first, yes. Hamas does rule Gaza. They rule through fear and violence.
They were elected to power, but that was almost 20 years ago, and they ran on a platform of being moderate and peaceful. They barely won the election, and only because the other party was actively imploding.
Once they were in power, they quickly replaced anyone who could stand against them. This is still how they work when it comes to government services. They few that they do offer.
They've refused to hold elections or give up power in any way. And again, enforce their hold on power with violence.
Now, a bit over half of the population of Gaza are children. They were too young to have voted for Hamas.
In fact, the only reason why Hamas is in power at all, is actually Israel. See, the Israeli government has had a hand in Hamas since the beginning. They helped amplify the ultraconservative religious message of the founder of Hamas, all in an effort to weaken Palestinian solidarity. Netanyahu personally moved to prop up Hamas several times over the last 20 years, all in the name of keeping the Palestinians separate.
See, the West Bank has an actual, functional democratically elected government made up of Palestinians who are mostly secular. This is the "Palestinian government" that you seem to be alluding to.
They're in the West Bank under Israeli military occupation. They are literally not allowed to enter Gaza. No one has been allowed to freely enter or exit Gaza for decades. Israel has them under a full blockade.
the PLO has delayed the elections since 2021 so calling them democratic is bit far fetched. functioning is also debatable.
there were many gazans with work permits entering Israel , who could enter freely(through security checks as is common in all borders). also UNRWA moves people in and out of gaza, and many palastinians used to be allowed to recieve medical treatment in israel.
saying Hamas exists because of Israel is intresting, because the tyings Iseael did to support Hamas is sending money to the governing bodt of Gaza. it had no part of their creation or siezing control of the strip aside from the withdrawl of israrli foeces from Gaza.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7grSsuFSS0 Here's a video lining out some links between israel and Hamas, including many israeli officials saying Hamas is an israeli creation.
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Hamas was 'elected' before half the current Gaza population was even born.
Over the same four days, Israel arrested at least 133 Palestinians from East Jerusalem and the West Bank, according to Palestinian prisoner associations.
These people weren’t even in Gaza. They’re not prisoners of war.