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[–] Augustiner 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It’s crazy to me that these crusty imperialists see nothing wrong with plundering and keeping another culture’s heritage hostage. And they even have the gall to want different artifacts in exchange for returning the old ones.

Brits continue to stay in the running for most backwards country in Western Europe (politically speaking, most of you lads are ok).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It happens time and time again, throughout all of recorded history. The Greeks, Chinese, Russians, Americans (and Americas), Egyptians, Iranians, French, British, Germans, Indians, Spanish and virtually all of the Middle East have had their time in the sun. Empires rise and fall. Cities are pillaged, looted and burned, and people raped and killed. Some of it is even recorded in the bible. And it will keep happening long into the future. It's only recently that we've developed rules around what can and cannot be done.

[–] Augustiner 9 points 11 months ago

I won’t judge historical actions by our morals, but it’s fair to judge our contemporaries. If you want other nations to respect you, you gotta play by the rules.

British imperialism has left a legacy of genocide and plundering around the globe. Instead of wishing back the good old days it’s time to make up for it. It’s not like the Greeks want reparations, they just want back what was stolen.

So in the interest of European relations and trade and all the other nice things we have going right now, just give them back their old rocks.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

It's a disgrace.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The cancellation came a day after Mr Mitsotakis told the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg that the marbles should be returned, as having some of the artefacts in London and the rest in Athens was like cutting the Mona Lisa in half.

The Greek prime minister told reporters on Monday evening he was disappointed the meeting had been cancelled "mere hours before its slated time", saying: "Those who firmly believe in the correctness and justice of their positions are never hesitant to engage in constructive argumentation and debate."

I had anticipated engaging in a discussion with my British counterpart on this issue, as well as addressing significant global challenges such as the situations in Gaza and Ukraine, the climate crisis, and migration."

"Keir Starmer is clearly keen to ignore the contributions generations of British taxpayers have made to keep them safe and share them with the world," one party source claimed.

The British Museum's Chair of Trustees, George Osborne, who is the former chancellor, has previously said he is looking to find "some kind of arrangement to allow some of the sculptures to spend some of their time in Greece".

Speaking to the Culture, Media and Sport Committee in October, Mr Osborne said any deal would have to see "objects from Greece coming here" for the first time.


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