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New Zealand is to become the first country to ban thin plastic bags used to purchase loose fruit and vegetables in supermarkets.

The new ban will also extend to plastic straws and cutlery, as the nation’s government expands its campaign against single-use plastics, which began in 2019 when it banned plastic carrier bags.

“New Zealand produces too much waste, too much plastic waste,” said New Zealand’s associate environment minister Rachel Brooking.

Ms Brooking said the 2019 bag ban has already prevented more than one billion plastic bags from being used in New Zealand, and the new ban on thin bags, which will come into force on Saturday, will add a further reduction of 150 million bags per year.

The decision was met with concerns the latest ban will not help the environment much if customers simply switch to using disposable paper bags in order to collect their fruit and vegetables.

But Ms Brooking says an investigation found “the answer was still yes, it’s still worth doing this”.

“But we really want to reduce single-use anything packaging,” she added.

“So we want people to be bringing their own bags and supermarkets are selling reusable produce bags.”

Ms Brooking said the emphasis will be on educating people but officials could impose penalties on businesses choosing to flaunt the rules.

New Zealand’s Countdown chain of supermarkets has started selling polyester mesh bags that can be washed and reused.

Catherine Langabeer, Countdown’s head of sustainability, said the mesh bags were tested to be reused up to 5,000 times each.

Countdown is working hard to get customers to think of reusable fruit-and-vegetable bags as the norm, she said.

“But we know change is hard and will take them a little while,” Ms Langabeer said. “We get some grumpy customers.”

She said other customers are finding creative ways to carry home their purchases without using any plastic.

Critics have questioned the liberal government’s environmental record, pointing out that the nation’s overall greenhouse gas emissions have not decreased since the government symbolically declared a climate emergency in 2020.

Plastic carrier bags are still available to purchase in UK supermarkets.

All large shops in England have been legally required to charge for single-use plastic shopping bags since 2015 - a move that has seen bags drop by mor then 95 per cent, according to the government. The legal charge was initially a minimum of 5p, but this was raised to 10p in May 2021 in a bid to further reduce usage.

Plastic fruit and vegetable bags are still widely available in many UK supermarkets, but some shops such as Waitrose have taken the decision to raplace them with compostable bags.

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[–] noXi 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I asked myself way too long what „thin plastic fruit“ is before continuing reading.

[–] Variden3301 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Zdvarko 3 points 1 year ago

You know, the fruit... plastic.. but thin... Great fibre /s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Shtinkflation on rollups?

[–] aragon 13 points 1 year ago

Seems like very little but single use plastic packaging is so horrible to the environment and it so low in the totem pole of priorities, it reflects the complete lack of concern for the environment by the government world over. Happy that something like this is done atleast now. Wish there was a global ban on single use plastics like chemical weapons because if we think about it, single use plastic is a slow killing chemical weapon.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Government: "Hey, do you think we should crack down on these corporations pouring 50-100 tonnes of pollution into the ecosystem/atmosphere by increasing their carbon taxes, making it illegal to buy/sell said tax credits to/from other corporations, and creating/enforcing stricter environmental regulations on those companies?"

Government employee stuffing a wadded envelope into their pocket: "Erm, um, on second thought, wouldn't it mean a lot more if the average consumer stopped using plastic forks and put their cans in the recycle bins? That's gotta be at least...1.5 tonnes right there."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While in principle this is a great piece of news, reality isn't as optimistic and I'd suggest asking questions before deciding to celebrate. When single use plastic shopping bags were outlawed, reusable bag sales went up (as you'd expect), but based on the numbers I saw, the reusable bags cause overall greater levels of emissions and refuse than the plastic they replaced.

In layman's terms, if a 1-use plastic bag has an environmental cost of "1 carbon", and a (bigger, heavier, made of multiple things) reusable bag has an environmental cost of "14 carbons", the reusable bag has to be used 14 times to be a better option, but in practice they're used around about half that many times before being damaged / thrown away.

Source: live in New Zealand and worked in a relevant part of the grocery industry until 2022.

[–] LetMeEatCake 1 points 1 year ago

This one isn't about carbon emissions. It's about plastic waste. It says so in the article:

“New Zealand produces too much waste, too much plastic waste,” said New Zealand’s associate environment minister Rachel Brooking.

With respect to how many times people use alternatives: that just comes down to cost and durability. Someone might not re-use a bag 1000 times if it costs $0.50 to buy it once. That's a lot more likely if the reusable bag is $5.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

@frankyboi Can we please stop pushing these tiny changes onto normal everyday people, when the real changes need to be made by Corporations?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, I believe both needs to happen. Change is moving on the consumer end, which is good, but a lot more needs to be done on the corporate end as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Agreed. These kinds of bills raise awareness of how bad plastic is for the environment. We need more people going to Costco and asking, “does this really need to be wrapped in so much plastic?”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Has New Zealand banned plastic packaging for products that can be packaged in glass/cardboard/aluminum?

These thin ass plastic bags are such a miniscule amount of plastic in comparison. Let's hit plastic where it hurts

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Let’s hit it everywhere, including here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I don't disagree, but we all have experienced this already. A few small things will be changed while plastic consumption rapidly increases to outpace any difference this made.

I don't think it's that wild of an idea to put stuff that used to be packaged in something other than plastic for DECADES back the original material it was packaged in.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I’m banning all plastic from using the Fediverse.

[–] Variden3301 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think people should carry reusable carrying nets. They are easy to carry, useful and fashionable!

[–] ScoobyDoo27 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I agree. Or just don’t use a bag at all. I don’t understand people who bag up their fruits and vegetables that grew outside and in dirt. What are you keeping it clean from?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I buy 14 apples at a time. I can't wrangle all of them individually, especially if I also bought 20 potatoes and a large broccoli.

It's also impossible to weigh them at checkout unless I have some way of grouping them. I wonder if we are going to reintroduce grocer-style fruit scales now that we are banning thin bags.

[–] ScoobyDoo27 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Totally. When I said bags I was referring to plastic bags. I understand the need for a bag if you are buying that many of something, just make it a reusable bag such as the netting kind.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree. I'm actually kind of looking forward to more vege specific reusable bags on the market.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

more vege specific reusable bags on the market.

We're in the sub-thread for reusable carrying nets. https://www.ecosia.org/images?q=vegetable%20bag

I use some of those light, thin, see-through nets with a drawstring. When one gets dirty, I throw it in the washer. They serve me well for years now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't use the plastic produce bags since I don't see a need. The grocery clerk typically just stacks all the same kind on their scale, bag or no bag.

Once it's scanned I put it in my shopping bag.

Are your local clerks picky about needing to do multiple batches?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They are underpaid and the trolley queues are often long, so anything that wildly slows them down (like apples rolling off the counter) would not be appreciated.

Self checkout machines don't really have enough space, and again there's a line of people so slowly transferring a week's worth of apples, potatoes with dirt on them, carrots etc a few at a time would be a jerk move.

I'm very happy the plastic is about to be fully phased out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

In my supermarket they are mandatory. You get your fruit and you put them in a scale which prints out an sticker with the weight, pricing and barcode, which is what os scanned at checkout.

This would be all avoided if they had scales at checkout and the clerk used them (which would also reduce fraud) but of course is cheaper having way less staff.

[–] EyesEyesBaby 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's wrong with paper bags?

[–] Variden3301 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Paper bags are cool too but why not reusable ones so we will waste less.

[–] EyesEyesBaby 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well the reusable ones are made from plastic.

[–] Variden3301 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know what is the best option. I am open for suggestions

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Some are, some aren't. There is cotton and other biodegradable material, also recycled plastic.

[–] Moeaverage 7 points 1 year ago

I can get behind this as a small change

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here we (Kenya) banned single-use plastic bags back in 2017!!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago
[–] T0rrent01 3 points 1 year ago

Watch inconsiderate conservatives try to somehow equate this to George Orwell in some way or another

[–] Zehzin 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's great and all but as long as Coca-Cola, Nestlé, Pepsico, P&G and so on are allowed to produce billions of single use packages it will change nothing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Don't make better the enemy of perfect.

[–] Bigdude1420 1 points 1 year ago

Im always for reducing plastic waste. We certainly still have a long way to go.

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