It’s Official: With “Vermin,” Trump Is Now Using Straight-up Nazi Talk : newsdom

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

Just a reminder that Hitler originally came to power by promising to make Germany great again.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

Trump wanted US military generals to emulate generals of the third Reich and treat him like he was Hitler:

It turned out that the generals had rules, standards, and expertise, not blind loyalty. The President’s loud complaint to John Kelly one day was typical: “You fucking generals, why can’t you be like the German generals?”
“Which generals?” Kelly asked.
“The German generals in World War II,” Trump responded.
“You do know that they tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off?” Kelly said.
But, of course, Trump did not know that. “No, no, no, they were totally loyal to him,” the President replied. In his version of history, the generals of the Third Reich had been completely subservient to Hitler; this was the model he wanted for his military. Kelly told Trump that there were no such American generals, but the President was determined to test the proposition.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/15/inside-the-war-between-trump-and-his-generals

Trump, not a man known for his literacy, kept a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed and would read it sometimes:

Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy now guards a copy of My New Order in a closet at his office, as if it were a grenade. Hitler’s speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist.
https://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner

Then there's this:

Donald Trump appears to take aspects of his German background seriously. John Walter works for the Trump Organization, and when he visits Donald in his office, Ivana told a friend, he clicks his heels and says, “Heil Hitler,” possibly as a family joke.

Trump seems to aspire to be Hitler-like, and he even tried to take supreme dictatorial power through populism, lies and propaganda like Hitler did.

[–] shalafi 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Y'all libs better pull your head out your ass, get armed with whatever you think you can handle, learn safety and train.

Remember last month when Hamas invaded Israel? There was a man at that music festival quoted saying, "All I could think was I wished I had some way to fight back. I felt so helpless."

And that's a nation where military service is compulsory and they get to take their battle rifle home.

Armed and peaceful or unarmed and harmless. Pick one.

And if you find that distasteful, take a WWII European history class and get back to me.

[–] TheKracken 9 points 11 months ago

He's right the threat is coming from within. It's him and the GQP and their fascist policies.

[+] forkbomb -30 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You may want to re-evaluate your outrage. The left and right are both guilty of using dehumanizing language against their opposition. This is far from “Straight up Nazi talk”. I look forward to your rational and well thought out replies.

https://x.com/amandionair/status/1140748182453927936

https://x.com/abby_astray/status/1667754881330073600

https://x.com/logansteven/status/1572116567235633152

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago

Which one of these people were president, the de facto leader of a major us political party, and had the ability to change the path of the nation?

Both sides doesn't hold a thimble of water when you compare the fucking former president with random Twitter posters.

[+] PP_BOY_ -32 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Oh yes, the Nazis: famous supporters of Israel

[–] IzzyScissor 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

*Famous supporters of genocide

Doesn't matter who, as long as it's "them" not "us".

[+] PP_BOY_ -10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't matter who

It does, though. Antisemitism is the cornerstone of Nazism. Not just genocide, but the destruction of Jews. Trump and the modern GOP are racist, genocidal fascists, but not Nazis.

[–] Taco2112 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Fascism was the corner stone of Nazism, Fascism uses a social hierarchy which is essentially “them” and “us”.

[+] PP_BOY_ -9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

... and Nazism places that "them" as "the Jews." You are literally proving my point. Nazism without "the Jews" as the enemy is just fascism.

[–] K3zi4 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You are technically incorrect here. Nazism comes from National Socialism first and foremost, and the ideology itself was not inherently antisemite, though it certainly became most associated with antisemitism due to the "us vs them" ethos the person you were responding to pointed out. The Nazis as we know them historically, did view Jewish people as the enemy- but remember that the Nazis also targeted other groups and ethnicities as well.

But dehumanising groups of people and referring to them as vermin (to make their idiot followers easier to persuade that the groups are not real people) is definitely straight out of the Nazi playbook.

[–] PP_BOY_ -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Nazism comes from National Socialism first and foremost.

This is wrong for different reasons. "National Socialism," as a political idealogy, played virtually no role in Nazism, aside from the use of a politically trendy buzzword to garner public support in the early years of the party.

From Wikipedia

In 1920, the DAP renamed itself to the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei – NSDAP (National Socialist German Workers' Party, commonly known as the Nazi Party). Hitler chose this name to win over left-wing German workers. Despite the NSDAP being a right-wing party, it had many anti-capitalist and anti-bourgeois elements. Hitler later initiated a purge of these elements and reaffirmed the Nazi Party's pro-business stance.

and the ideology itself was not inherently antisemite

The Nazi Party and Hitler are (like Nazism and antisemitism, funnily enough) inextricable. In every practical sense, the Nazi Party existed solely as a tool for Hitler to use. Antisemitism was the foundation of Hitler's political career. Again, it's impossible to say that "the idealogy of Nazism was not antisemitic" when it was led unilaterally by "Antisemite: The Guy."

but remember that the Nazis also targeted other groups and ethnicities as well.

The majority of these other people were political enemies. Communists and Westerners did not face even a fraction of the social hate or dehumanization as the Jews. Yes, it's wrong to say that the Jews were the only target of the Nazis, but it's also wrong to say that they were not the target of the Nazis.

But dehumanising groups of people and referring to them as vermin (to make their idiot followers easier to persuade that the groups are not real people) is definitely straight out of the Nazi playbook.

Not "groups of people," this is what I've been saying the whole time. Dehumanizing Jews and referring to them as vermin is straight out of the Nazi playbook. Many people have referred to target groups as vermin throughout history. Julius Caesar did it to the Gauls. Andrew Jackson did it to the Amerinds. Mao did it to the capitalists. None of those figures are called Nazis because antisemitism is the cornerstone of Nazism and Nazism without antisemitism is an oxymoron.

[–] Taco2112 4 points 11 months ago

Yes, “the Jews” you said Israel which isn’t mentioned in the article.

[–] Taco2112 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

First they came for the Transgendered and I did not speak up because I was not Transgendered….replace transgendered with whatever you like, immigrants, gays, liberals, conservatives. No one should be treated as less than human just because you disagree with them.

[–] PP_BOY_ -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't even know how this is meant to respond to my comment. Trump and the GOP are racist, genocidal fascists. They're not Nazis. Nazism and antisemitism are inextricable. "Pro-Israel Nazism" makes as much sense as "pro-USA Communism."

[–] Taco2112 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The article doesn’t call him a Nazi, it says he’s using Nazi rhetoric. Everyone knows the Nazi’s didn’t like Jewish people but that’s not what the article is about.

[–] PP_BOY_ -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This article in my eyes is a symptom of a larger mistake people make of "Trump/MAGA/Republicans are literally Nazis." The specificity of Nazism versus Fascism makes that accusation meaningless.

[–] Taco2112 3 points 11 months ago

But you didn’t say that, you made a comment about Israel which isn’t mentioned anywhere in this article.

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