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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by Stamets to c/[email protected]
 

Just once I'd like a post where everyone is chill and positive about stuff instead of focusing on negative

Edit: I dunno why I expect people to ever be capable of being positive anymore. Dunno why I bother.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

DISC, Picard, and the cartoons just aren't my vibe, but I am glad they exist for those that love the shows.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

I've reached season three of Discovery, in my effort to give it a second chance, and I'm liking it a lot more. I've heard the third season of Picard was good too, but I've not made it that far yet.

They both just took the TNG approach of not really hitting their stride until the third season. Stamets' meme is on point, as usual.

I am looking forward to what they do to sell me on this new Ezri Dax meets Wesley and Beverly Crusher character. I hope they learn from Beverly's ghost-related mistakes lol

[–] nzeayn 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I fuckin love Discovery and none of ya can shame me for that. All this new era of trek fun as hell and im here for it. The abrams movies got my kid into trek because you know what, they are fun!

I pulled away from the trek fandom back in the Voyager days. Because I love that damn show. And I got tired of hearing how much better it would be if Janeway smiled more. I love the TNG era but it had some problems. The Yar arc happend people.

Trek is trek and it's all fantastic. Folks who can't be happy to enjoy all the new trek we've gotten are welcome to go back to grumply watching that original star wars trilogy shit. I'll be over here with the capacity for joy rewatching all of trek now.

[–] agent_flounder 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm right there with ya. Discovery won me over big-time. I am going to start season 3 in a bit.

I am re-watching Voyager at the same time. Kind of drifted from Trek around Voyager season 4 for reasons (nothing to do with trek itself). Yeah Voyager is a hell of a show. Lots of great episodes. It's great to see all the ones I missed and can't wait to see how they get back (no spoilers!!)

I've now picked up DS9 again where I left off a couple years ago. Season 5. Looking forward to finding out what I missed back in the day.

I'm back to Trek because of SNW. Seriously that show reminded me why I love Star Trek so much. I will likely rewatch it soon.

[–] nzeayn 4 points 11 months ago

Been hearing great things about SNW. I've kept that and Picard S3 back for now so I can do the whole trek run in the background while I dive into a new project at work. I'm almost done with S1 of TNG, gonna run that through Picard. Then jump back to ENT and catch up to SNW before jumping into late DSC. All 625hrs.

Enjoy your DS9 and VOY rewatches those are fun!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I think from Season 3 to mid-season 5 and then late season 7 of TNG, most of DS9, and a couple seasons of Voyager, this isn't true. I think people knew at the time we had genuinely good Trek on the air.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

No, no they didn't. Run through the alt.startrek Usenet archive throughout the '90s and you'll find plenty of bitching about every series.

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[–] Kucifus 5 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Hard disagree, new star trek has had years to "settle in" and has shown almost no signs of improving on the things that make it poor quality - namely low effort pandering writing and a lack of respect for its audience. Alex Kurtzman and the executives are the problem, and they're not going anywhere soon.

[–] Stamets 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

All the exact same arguments that were made against TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT.

But way to look at the description of my post and say "Nah, positivity? Fuck that."

Thanks for that.

[–] Kucifus 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You can reasonably disagree with a critical response to a TV show without it being a personal attack on your positivity or that of your post. What are you looking for here? An echo chamber makes for a boring discussion board.

I think it's fair enough to expect writers to understand and respect the media they're working with, and I'd argue that the writing in all those previous shows was leagues more intelligent and considered than the stuff on Kurtzman shows. I get very frustrated at how what was a show about professional and considered officers dealing with clever sci fi scenarios is turned into an action slog "fuck yeah science" show. It's not smart or interesting like that.

EDIT: noticed your post above about the difficulties you're going through. We can disagree about a telly show and still respect each other, I don't think discussion spaces like this might be healthy if you're struggling with positivity. It's totally okay to like the new trek shows and there's nothing wrong with wanting to be positive.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Here's a controversial thought: The worst Trek is at the absolute worst kinda decent, and it only goes up from there.

My Trek power rankings don't line up with most (Discovery is pretty great, DS9 is kind of annoying, all the Kelvin Treks are fun and the first one is pretty great), but even the parts I don't like I can watch and be chill about it.

Picard is bordering that line, honestly, but I can't be actively mad at Patrick Stewart and I actually would have watched a cheaper, longer show about the La Sirena crew without the TNG baggage.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Oh, bless you.

Being old enough to have Voyager and especially DS9 be my "nuTrek" and also never having let it go I can feel your nerdrage as a warm, fuzzy winter fire.

Can I interest you in how DS9's focus on greed, war and moral compromise is a betrayal of the concepts behind Star Trek and if they wanted to make Babylon 5 they should have just made Babylon 5?

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