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[–] JoeKrogan 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you want to do something get out on the streets. South African apartheid fell with the help of international pressure.

Also you can boycott israeli goods.

https://bdsmovement.net

[–] alvvayson 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Don't know about the USA, but here in Europe and in Arab/Muslim countries, lots and lots of people are out on the street, multiple times a week.

I do agree that this is the best strategy, but I just don't think we have enough of the population on our side.

Too many westerners value Jewish Israeli life more than that of a Palestinian.

In my country (Netherlands), Israeli bombings literally killed one of our citizens, after Israel had refused them exit out of Gaza. And our PM is silent.

Meanwhile, our government gave citizenship through a dubious legal procedure to an Israeli hostage who has a Dutch grandfather in order to give that boy a dual nationality.

We do not have equality in our country. Muslims are worth less than Jews here.

[–] rambaroo 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel intentionally bombed a US ship and killed 34 sailors. Instead of doing something about it we helped them cover it up. It's fucking crazy how much we let them get away with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident?wprov=sfla1

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think you're lying about the "covering up" bits of this story. Investigations into the incident started right away, with the Israeli Air Force claiming that they had mistaken the ship for an Egyptian battle ship. As a result, Israel agreed to pay compensation as mentioned in the article:

In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3.32 million (equivalent to US$28 million in 2022) to the U.S. government in compensation for the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3.57 million ($28.5 million in 2022) to the men who had been wounded. In December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million ($21.3 million in 2022) as the final settlement for material damage to the ship plus 13 years of interest.

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[–] Zehzin 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The BDSMovement has a great acronym

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (46 children)

It's not genocide, it's self-defense /s

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (33 children)

As a father of a soon-to-be-4-year-old, that picture tears me up inside. I can't fathom losing my son, especially not in this way. That goes for both sides of this fucking terrible thing.

Children. Are. Not. Acceptable. Collateral. Damage.

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[–] WidowsFavoriteSon 34 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Do Hamas claims require independent confirmation, or only Israeli ones?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

Excellent point. I propose a cease fire so international observers can enter Gaza to verify these claims.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just like with the Ukraine-Russia war, both sides are going to be lying and we won't have a clear picture of what's going on for a long time.

Pretty much anyone who 100% believes one side is an idiot that doesn't understand propaganda in war. I don't think that's most people, though.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Blindly accepting the claims of a terrorist organization is the new norm apparently.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're right. There should be a cease fire so neutral international observers can go investigate.

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[–] ABCDE 7 points 1 year ago
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[–] merthyr1831 27 points 1 year ago (26 children)

If Israel wanted to end this they could. They'd get their hostages back and they'd get to mourn their dead.

Instead they immediately moved to starve millions of people to spite, what Wikipedia claims is (ie. a likely exaggerated) 20,000 Hamas members, of which Israel can only count one to be officially killed by their actions so far.

They're now talking of a "final solution" for the "palestine problem". Half are already homeless, trapped beside the border crossings that israel bombs if not to their liking. How long until Israel is either allowed to enact their "final solution" or instigates a regional conflict between countries trying to prevent that?

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[–] randon31415 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If only Saudi Arabia didn't want a civilian nuclear program.

What am I talking about? Saudi Arabia was about to sign a defense agreement with the United States that would have allowed them to have a civilian nuclear program and enter into a defense pact with the United States. The only condition placed on Saudi Arabia was that they had to normalize relations with Israel. Iran didn't like this, because they're biggest competitor in the region was Saudi Arabia. If only there was a way to keep Saudi Arabia from normalizing relations with Israel. I wonder what Iran could have done to prevent that...

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