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this statistic does not account for Tesla loyalists, as three-quarters of Tesla owners indicated that they would continue with EVs.

Some people just like Elon Musk

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[–] SheeEttin 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Bad headline. The text says "would consider", which is significantly different.

Furthermore, they don't identify the study at all, so I can't even go look at it. I don't see one on S&P Global Mobility's site that looks like the right one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah, considering options is a sensible thing to do

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Looks like this statistic is being dragged down heavily by Nissan Leaf owners. The Leaf is a very niche car - not much space, horrible range, and questionable reliability. It's not surprising that a lot of owners have buyer's remorse.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

The battery in the Leaf isn't liquid cooled either, so they don't last nearly as long as other EV batteries

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Maybe, but I guess it suits certain purposes.

We're never going back to ICE, though. Quite happy with our leaf, would happily upgrade to something else but charging it a couple of times a week is no bother

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've been similarly happy with my Bolt. I've had it for 3 years and can't imagine going back to ICE, except maybe for a roadster. I miss my Miata.

It helps that I charge at work for free, but even before I had this job is was nbd to charge at the grocery store once a week. I struggle to understand people who are hesitant to try out EVs.

How has the reliability on your Leaf been?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I can't think of any issues we've had, at all. There's so little to go wrong with them...

They're certainly less riddled with things to break than other Nissans I've driven. More like a basic Toyota in some ways

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Have had an Ev for a year. Would not switch back. I'm saving too much money.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Have an EV commuter car and a gas minivan.

No way I'm going back to double gas, I'm putting 25,000km a year on the EV and less than 5,000km on the van.

I'm saving a massive amount with current gas and electric prices where I live.

[–] TokenBoomer 5 points 11 months ago

The McGraws and the George W. Bush family have close ties dating back several generations.

Interesting to find out about S&P Global.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Still can't even afford an EV to even think about switching back to one ...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Plug in hybrids are the best of both worlds. Any of the Toyota primes would be the ideal vehicle for most people. Too bad it’s near impossible to get one even if you have the money.

[–] Junkers_Klunker 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Plugins are the worst of both worlds unless you pull in and charge every 50 km to not let the battery drain completely, because if that happens you just end up with an insanely heavy ICE car thats even worse on fuel than an ICE car without all the hybrid shit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I have been driving one for years. I only put gas in it on road trips. No need for extra charging time just go. For daily activities I never need to use gas. You’re spreading from speculation, I’m speaking from experience.

Admittedly, they are heavier. You got that bit right. I still got 40mpg on road trips.

[–] Junkers_Klunker 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I drove a plugin for 2 years daily, it only did 12-13kml without battery and 30km on a charge. Granted it was a Mitsubishi Outlander phev which isnt exactly the greatest car.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So you took your experience with an admittedly bad car and generalized all other cars based on it?

If I buy a Kia I shouldn’t expect it to drive like a Bentley just because they both have an IC engine.

[–] Junkers_Klunker 1 points 11 months ago

Now youre putting words in my mouth, the Mitsubishi wasnt a bad car, just wasnt great. The problem with plugins is that when operating as an ev its an heavy low performance low range ev and when its operating as an ICE car its a heavy low performance gas guzzling ICE car. sure there are a perfect spot where it makes sense, but it is damn near impossible to balance at that spot. If you want an ev for city driving then buy that and spend a little more time charging when going a long way from home. Or buy a more expensive ev that can go further on a charge and charge quicker. The rangeproblem on evs is near not existing where i live. A better solution if range is a concern would be an ev with a rangeextender like the bmw i3 where you are using the ICE only to charge the battery when necessary and therefore can be much smaller and lighter.