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I'm not familiar with the Australian political terms, can you share what this means:
inner dialogue between their mobs and local governments
To me, that sounds like the Aboriginal/Torres Strait Islanders are free to think about what they want, and then form a potentially violent, roughly organized group of people to confront local officials... But I assume I'm missing something.
From google: 'Mob' is a term identifying a group of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people associated with a particular place or Country. 'Mob' is an important term for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, as it is used to describe who they are and where they are from.
In Australian slang a mob can just mean any grouping of people, not necessarily a criminal group or a group of rioters. It's not uncommon for people to refer to their own ethnic or political grouping as a mob; at least from what I've seen when reading Australian websites.
And by local government I think they are referring to the states and territories governments.
This is correct, mob in this context is a number of indigenous people belong to one particular community. There are various different mobs out there which is one of the reasons why a singular controlled voice was never going to work.
Yeah as someone outside Australia I've been surprised at how biased and simplified the reporting has been. A complex constitutional issue is being painted as a simple "good people, bad people".
When I read about the changes myself (after having to go hunting for some actual detail - the reporting is pretty poor on this) it honestly seems more like virtue signalling rather than useful or meaningful reform.
The result has produced a lot of sore losers. The campaign involved a lot of just straight up losers.
Its the eternal false dichotomy of "one side of a dispute must be the good guys, meaning the other side are therefore the bad guys."
Last time I looked at the count 40% of indigenous people voted against the voice, there's definitely no good/bad side in this regardless how some might choose to vilify others. We have compulsory voting as well.
Relevant: the Black Peoples Union position on the referendum (interview on ABC).
An aggregation of written statements collected from socialist, anarchist and radical Indigenous groups, showing the diversity of thought on the matter: http://old.reddit.com/r/AustralianSocialism/comments/161r8r1/megathread_of_leftist_statements_on_the_voice/
(PS: don't just take all the 'yes' and 'no' summaries in that list at face value, a couple of them are misinterpretations or oversimplications)
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Black Peoples Union position on the referendum
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So is was this broadly do to discomfort over the implementation? I'm sure there were plenty of people who voted no because they feel like the Aboriginals already get enough special treatment, as there would be here.
Sorry boss this is very heavily biased.
which they already have through inner dialogue between their mobs and local governments.
False. They do not have constitutionally supported advocacy in parliament.
How this constitutional change would look or be enacted was not known and very vague
False, the precise change to the constitution was readily available.
there was widespread animosity from First Nations people about it being another ‘white-man’s decision’
False, yes it's possible to find a First Nations person happy to have a whinge about their circumstances, but there was no wide spread animosity towards the voice amongst First Nations people.
It was never a vote about if you ‘like Aboriginal Australians or not’
Well, perhaps not, but it's definitely a vote about whether you're happy with the status quo.
Did you write the 'no campaign' booklet by any chance, temp_acct_001?
I voted Yes in the end, but I definitely understand the journey you've taken and respect your informed voting. I think a big part of the problem is people's attention is so divided these days that complexities are oversimplified to one-word descriptors like "racist" that are facile and inaccurate.
Lol, fair enough. Are you a researcher travelling and interviewing different groups - or just rural living?
Dispelling Australia's Referendum Misunderstandings
Facts without evidence presented as if they are self-evident.
The vote was to change the Australian Constitution to include a section giving Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples a voice in parliament, which they already have through inner dialogue between their mobs and local governments.
The current system is definitely not effective. There is a massive gap where due respect, health outcomes, opportunities, and sovereignty are lacking at the least.
You can argue that this is piecemeal, and it is - but its a step from the current status quo.
How this constitutional change would look or be enacted was not known and very vague, with the crux being that it would still be government controlled...
Misleading. The constitution is high-level by design, that is not how that document works.
there was widespread animosity from First Nations people about it being another 'white-man's decision', it would create division by being unequal when indigenous Australians are striving for equality.
Show me evidence again, temp account.
Welcome to every single vote for the rest of your life. They won't even be human soon.
Don't give Canada ideas
I mean... what else would you expect from a white supremacist colonial project?
I hate it here
Unlike America, you at least don't have to "love it or leave it"! We still have it pretty good, globally speaking.
I don't see how. We've already officially said sorry as a nation and have strong native title rights and laws were indigionous people can claim their ancestral lands, own them and live on them as traditional as they would like to.
Indigenous communities are still alive and well in many parts of Australia and can freely make the choice to assimilate with western culture or not. Australia is a huge and sparsely populated place that does not force this on indigionous people at all.
At some point the indigenous community needs to stop considering themselves victims and focus on the future of their people and culture. What is generally amusing is that it tends to be inner city privileged indigenous people who tend to make the most noise about this.