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Third post tonight but I'm posting anyway.

Personally, I don't see how the Palestinian resistance has any chance of winning this conflict unless Hezbollah and/or a foreign nation like Lebanon, Syria, or Egypt for instance joins in.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

In terms of some kind grand treaty and international recognition? Not anytime soon. Things are rarely so clear-cut.

However, a lot of occupiers left Israel after these attacks. Those are concrete wins because that is exactly what should be happening. Palestine has little left to lose, this is their home and they are already in concentration camps. Many Israelis have other citizenships and can go back home anytime they want. Who do you think is inclined to fight harder.

I think a better question might be can Israel ever actually win this, and the answers to that is no. Not without a genocide even worse than anything we have ever seen to date. There will always be people willing to fight against the invaders.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I think it's good to guess that the group that planned this operation for years has some sketch of a plan moving forward.

I honestly have no idea.

I don't think the zionist state will ever be able to return to the status quo from before, so it's either winning or complete annihilation. I hope Palestine wins.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

If it all works out well, I want to hear the full story of how they did it all

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

At the very least, the Palestinians have gravely hurt the reputation of the West as a whole and are another blow to its hegemony.

Ukraine, Nigeria, Gabon and so on. The pressure is mounting and the economies of Europe are declining.

That being said, the road to freedom for the Palestinians is long and this is just one of many steps

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

When Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Hezbollah join. Hezbollah already did.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yep, this has to expand wider. The myth of their invincibility has already been broken. If the puppet regimes in the Gulf fall, that might also be a positive step. And Palestine is an issue close to many people's hearts there.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How does the presence of the American Carrier group influence this? In its role as a deterrent to surrounding nations that might want to get involved.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Idk but I think Hezbollah has promised to bomb US military bases if they get involved.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

They need to capture Israeli hardware and recruit the Arab residents within Israel to enlarge their fighting force.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Oppo has spoken 🙏🏼

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Unless the West changes It’s opinion, this is reality for the foreseeable future. The world is suffering an empathy crisis.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

We will see how it plays out. I don't like speculating about human lives but I wish the Palestinian resistance much success.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I can only see them winning with direct intervention from Iran and Hezbollah. Hezbollah uses this opportunity to launch an attack from the north. Iran starts sending barrages of missiles towards Israel's electrical grid and military targets, and Palestinians use guerilla tactics to distract them. The rest of the Middle East should embargo Israel during this conflict.

This actually seems like the perfect opportunity to attack, since the US army is drained of resources. The US strategic oil reserve is also pretty low, so if the US starts making threats, Iran can simply close the straight of Ormuz and the price of oil would skyrocket overnight. But I don't think any of this will happen.

[–] bouh 2 points 11 months ago

This is suicidal for Palestine IMO.

What will happen is that a large chunk of gaza will be completely destroyed. Many, many Palestinians will die from the war and from starvation. If they have any wit, they will seek a way to flee.

Helping organisations are already trying to secure evacuation corridors. So many people should be able to leave the area.

With less people, Israel will be able to take some ground here. It's illegitimate and illegal, but the west will do nothing. China will probably do nothing. Russia is busy killing its own citizen through Ukrainian hands, so will do nothing. I'm pretty sure USA's wet dream is for Iran to attack Israel so they can have a pretense to invade it.

Other Muslim countries want peace with the west, so they'll do nothing either.

In the end, many Palestinians will die, Israel will take a bit of ground, and we'll see that happen again in a few decades.

Many Israeli will die too, if that's a consolation prize for you, you'll get that.

[–] ohlaph 1 points 11 months ago

I doubt it. Israel has the support from the West. Unless others join and we end up in a world war situation, it's rather unlikely.