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I have played most Pokemon games, but I am deciding between Pokemon Sun/Moon/Ultra and Brilliant Diamond.

I have never played either of these games not even their original versions. What do you think?

Additionally, is Sun/Moon good or is the Ultra version better?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't play Brilliant Diamond, play Platinum instead, it's much better in every single way.

You can use an emulator to get it up and running quickly.

As far as Sun vs Ultra Sun, I think most people prefer the original but I've never played them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can you tell me why platinum is better? I’m genuinely clueless.

[–] Hildegarde 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

BDSP was a terrible remake that was farmed out to a random porting studio. It's one of the lowest effort remakes I have ever experienced.

One of the biggest issues is BDSP added modern EXP share where all your pokemon gain EXP every battle.This caused a huge problem for BDSP because they didn't re-balance the game to account for you gaining much more XP than the original developers expected. The game is completely trivial because you become unreasonably over-leveled when playing through the game normally.

Platinum also added extra content to gen 4 beyond the original Diamond and Perl. None of this content was added to the remaster. If you are wanting to play gen IV and have hardware that can run it, Platinum is the best choice.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Thanks! One of my complaints about Pokémon is that it’s too easy. That alone will push me to platinum.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Platinum came out a year after Diamond and Pearl, it made a lot of changes to the games. From the top of my head these are the most important ones:

  • Expanded Pokedex from 151 to 210 or so pokemon.
  • Revamped team galactic, changes their bases' looks and adding tons of dialogue.
  • Gym leaders, galatic leaders and elite four have improved teams due to the added pokemon.
  • Improved sprites although this doesn't really matter at this point.
  • Added trainers that follow you and turn areas into pure double battles for a while.
  • Improved the big showdown with team galatic and gave Giratina a role in the story.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks! You have convinced me to play platinum over the switch releases.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No problem!

[–] DaniloT 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

About SuMo and USUM, I played both as they came out and thought it was really fun seeing the differences in story, from the middle on it becomes like two entirely different games, if you are a fan I would recommend both. If I had to choose, I would say USUM is the more complete game, has more content and side content, more story and even an interesting post game story that is definitely worth playing for any fan of the older games, and I am legit surprised seeing people talk about SuMo being preferred because my experience with everyone I talked about this has always been people preferring USUM.

About BDSP, biggest complaint is how they remade the old games but did not do almost anything new to it, didn't even add the extra story from platinum which makes platinum be a more complete experience than even these remakes. They're fine but underwhelming.

So if you only want one, I'd say USUM. If you are considering all and deciding on the order, I'd say SuMo, then BDSP to take a little break, and then back to USUM.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I started playing ultra sun last night and played more this morning.

It has just enough challenge at the start and I hope it carries over through the rest of the game.

With some of the games you can mindlessly bash the same attack, but so far I’ve had to thinking a bit about how to win a few fights.

Really enjoying it.

I also didn’t expect this graphics to be that good, I was expecting something like the de games.

The only thing that stood out was that I only liked one of the starters and thought the other two were terrible. Can you guess my starter?

[–] DaniloT 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most people seem to like owl boy more than the others, so much so he came back in legends arceus, so my guess would be that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Really? I didn’t care for the owl. I really liked the cat. Litten might be my new favorite Pokémon. But I’m not 100% sure on that.

Easily my most liked starter since charmander.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The others already answered your question, but since you said you thought pokemon games were too easy and you have a steam deck in other comments, I would recommend Pokémon reborn. It is a free fan game on PC. I play it on my steam deck and it is great for it. Just takes a bit of setup and configuration.

That game is challenging if you want something difficult. You really need to plan out your approach as only brute force attack moves will get you nowhere unlike brute forcing a normal Pokémon game.

Do with this information what you must.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks! This might be what I am looking for in regards to a challenge. I have the site open, I will check it out in a few moments.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I never finished Ultra, but the consensus I've heard is that normal SuMo has the better story, Ultra has the better postgame content and is at least somewhat more challenging. Which one is better really depends on what you're looking for in a Pokémon game.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'm really liking ultra so far. There have been some challenging fight. But it is nothing that can't be overcome.

I did die to my first wild encounter though.

[–] Contramuffin 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've played both Diamond and Brilliant Diamond. To be honest, I don't get where the hate is coming from for BD. It's got a ton of quality-of-life changes compared to Diamond. If you had the choice between the two, I would certainly recommend BD, especially if you're used to the the QoL from the newer Pokemon games. Whether or not BD is worth the money is a separate question entirely... but at least that can be solved by consulting some online "vendors," if you catch my drift

As for S/M and US/UM, what I've heard is that S/M has a more coherent story. US/UM apparently chose to abandon the story near the end and shoehorn in an incoherent ending, with the intention of using the new ending to build up a stronger post-story game. The choice boils down to whether you care about the story more or whether you care about the post-game content more

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Well either way I’ll play on the steam deck, so not needing to switch between screens in a plus for brilliant diamonds.

In regards to s/m and us/um. What if I just want to beat the elite four which would you recommend? I’m not sure I care about the store or the post game content. I’m not even sure what post game content is, so maybe I’d care, but probably not.