There are people still alive who witnessed European Jewish settlers arrive in Palestine.
The only "historical nuance" the Israeli state offers is deathcult, promised land, chosen people bullshit. It is black and white.
this post was submitted on 08 Oct 2023
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Actually, stupid Palestinian, I, the western liberal know morality and your situation better than you! Nothing can be clear. Both sides must always be bad, because I cannot conceptualize a government or organization that doesn't fuck over the working and oppressed people as a liberal.
The Soviets fighting the Nazis is not black and white, it must be taken in its historical context. Although the Nazis fight with a racist, deep hatred for Jews, on the other hand, the Soviets are communists.
Precisely, yes yes. You must consider that violence bad and so of course the Palestinians are just as bad as the Nazis because they both kill people and stuff. /s
Reminds me of the Walter Rodney quote. Paraphrasing here, but it goes along the lines of "By what standard of morality can the vioence a slave uses to free himself of his chains be compared to the violence of the slave master?"
My blood has been boiling for a while
White moderates 🤮
Would love for one of these fucks explain what the "nuance" is exactly
Messaged them about this post. Their responses were:
"Their attacks were unwarranted just as they were against the Palestinian people."
I responded with a very passionate "UNWARRANTED? HOMIE ITS A NATIONAL LIBERATION MOVEMENT AGAINST AN APARTHEID STATE, YOU ARE BOTH SIDESING ISRAELI OCCUPATION?"
They say: "They are targeting, killing, raping Israeli civilians. Their actions only make the situation worse and will lead to more deaths. Now it'll be less likely that Palestine will ever regain independence." (What the fuck, they're pretending like they support their liberation while condemning their acts for liberation. Unbelievable)
I say: "According to who? Fucking CNN? The Israeli government? I call bullshit. Even if those things did happen on rare occasions, there are always people in movements that can do bad things. That doesn't mean you throw out the whole movement. Especially after you treat people like animals. Stop looking at it in a vacuum. Their actions make it worse? What do you offer instead, live under the oppressive Israeli rule? You are literally supporting capitulation over fighting back because "violence bad". Less likely they'll ever gain independence? Yes because it was so likely that the Israelis were going to grant it to them through diplomacy."
They say: "There are videos on Twitter of the acts. As for what I'd suggest as a solution, I honestly don't know. But what I do know is that this violence is unacceptable, just as the violence sanctioned by the Israeli government. And no. I have not been watching CNN or MSNBC."
I responded: " "This violence is unacceptable"
So your solution is nothing, and you condemn any fighting back. You are by default supporting the status quo by condemning revolutionary self defense. All for supporting Palestinian liberation til they actually do something about it. We're the black panthers wrong for using violence? Was BLM wrong in 2020? You're literally just serving the right by doing this."
And then she said: I said I don't know the solution, not that my solution was nothing."
I left that on read.
I've yet to see the Twitter videos. Not denying they exist, just saying.
I can't stand liberals bro. Oh yes, wise westerner, tell me more how best to liberate their country on the internet.
Since you mentioned Twitter videos.
There's, for example, a genuine video of Palestinian fighters looting dead Israeli soldiers and then kicking their faces. Then there's fake videos, like the one with Israeli toddlers in chicken cages, being made fun of by Palestinians. That video is fake, as the sound of Palestinians is dubbed over (I have no idea where the images came from).
Don't forget that Israel was the first to perfect online propaganda.
These same libshits are gonna be all "It's indiginous peoples' day not Columbus day!" tomorrow.
Nobody hands out independence. If you don't fight for it, you won't gain it. Even if the sentiment is genuine (Palestinians will end up suffering at the end), one has to realise that there's no "enduring" ethnic cleansing. Palestinians have to act at every chance they are given, or they'll cease existing as a people.
The thing I see some of the more sly liberals who like to cloak their western chauvinism saying is "Well yeah the situation for Palestine is sad but Israel needs to win so things stop." Ok buddy.
Saying nothing would be better than this.
See my conversation I posted in reply to another commenter. They said a whole bunch of nothing. They don't even have a solution.
Just read it. Man, just vacuous cliche statements about non-violence.
Producing the conditions of liberation is counterproductive, producing nothing is the best way to produce stuff
DO they know what the term critical support means?
Think they condemned the Union side of the American Civil War or the Independence War too? US side of the Vietnam War since the US attacked first? US side of the Iraq War sinc--I mean you get what I'm saying right?