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Hey! Thanks to the whole Reddit mess, I’ve discovered the fediverse and its increidible wonders and I’m lovin’ it :D

I’ve seen another post about karma, and after reading the comments, I can see there is a strong opinion against it (which I do share). I’d love to hear your opinions, what other method/s would you guys implement? If any ofc

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Personally I think there shouldn't be anything like it at all , that stuff should only be visible to you and nobody else . Didn't stop reddit from becoming toxic cesspit . But once its implemented it's hard to remove w/o serious consequnces . Just look at youtube dislikes .

Worst thing about karma system, r/assistance has minimum karma requirement which I think is shitty to peops who need help

[–] Dick_Justice 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] wosat 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

We need the karma-equivalent of PageRank. Every vote should not be treated the same, just as Google doesn't weight every link equally. The "one user one vote" system is the equivalent of pre-Google search engines that would rank pages by how many times they contained the search term. But it can't be as simple as "votes from higher-karma users are worth more" because the easiest way to build insane karma is to build a bot or spam low-effort replies to every rising post. Still, the system needs to be able to extract the wisdom of the crowd from the stupidity of the crowd, and the only way to do that is to apply a weighting gradient to users and their votes.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I'm not from reddit, what is a reputation and what practical effect does it have? Is it just upvotes minus downvotes?

I found a reputation in my profile of "1" but I don't have a clue where that came from. I'm not sure why we need to have scores associated with our accounts, that in itself seems toxic to me to care about (clout chasing).

Upvoting comments in threads makes sense, I'm just not seeing any actual practical connection with the thing called "reputation" on my profile. What does it do in a best case?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yes, reddit's "karma" score was your (upvotes-downvotes)=karma, with limits on how much a single post couple affect your overall score. I've been told that Rep here on kbin is your (boost count-downvotes), with upvotes not changing your score. I'm also told that's a bug, but not what the equation is supposed to be.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Upvotes are a little broken right now, they work for sorting purposes but don't reflect on Rep. The "boost" option is equivalent to the reddit upvote or the Favorite option for Mastodon.

So Reputation at this point is just Boosts - Downvotes. It is likely that this system will be adjusted.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@VGarK Each of us individually, and the moderator group on each #Fediverse instance, de facto implements some form of trust [1] system, e.g. I block Alice and Dick but not Bob or Carol; and in Mastodon, I can add my private "note" about any user.

The question of finding trust (karma) systems [2] that the Fediverse considers ethically viable seems to be wide open to me: mathematically, psychologically and socially.

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[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_%28social_science%29

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_metric

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[–] kemsat 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think the awards system from Reddit could work, just without it being monetized. The awards let you see how people feel about the comment, and it’s more than just good/bad, like/dislike.

[–] VGarK 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Another user mentioned something like that! I like the idea :D

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's very easily abused. Does Karma affect article and comment visibility on Reddit? I don't know the details, but if so I'd suggest that it not do so here. Maybe just have it be a number calculated from boosts, upvotes and downvotes that you can see on the profile if you are a mod trying to determine if someone tends to troll, but not something that has any affect on whether or not your stuff is displayed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Some moderators put thresholds on karma for an account to post, but the thresholds are always very low -- they are basically ways to work around open registration to get rid of throwaway account trolls and bots.

The downside is that this created an incentive to build bots capable of generating karma in order to become accounts that could spam/scam. The most common method was the repost bots, that would just copy and paste a comment from somewhere else in the thread or a post from months ago. That was annoying.

The actual "better system" is to just not have open registration and/or have active moderators that quickly get rid of trolls and bots. All the karma/reputation-based stuff is just heuristics to make that job a bit easier. No reason to rethink the wheel here.

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