this post was submitted on 24 Jun 2023
9 points (100.0% liked)

Comradeship // Freechat

263 readers
2 users here now

Talk about whatever, respecting the rules established by Lemmygrad. Failing to comply with the rules will grant you a few warnings, insisting on breaking them will grant you a beautiful shiny banwall.

A community for comrades to chat and talk about whatever doesn't fit other communities

founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
9
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

If you had the power to implement any social/economical order in the US today, what would that order be and how would you implement it (step by step) - elaborate (characters of peoople in charge of important roles in society, political order, flag change, national goals, foreign policy, etc.). It can be a mash of political/social orders, doesn't have to be a particular one, you can call it whatever you like. The same goes for the rest of the social roles and political order, doesn't have to be written in books, it can be a mash of whatever you think is right for the particular scenario.

top 12 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Native Americans and Mexico would get a hell of a lot territory

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Why Mexico, they also killed native americans (as far as I know).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Disband the military, bolster the communist parties, forcefully remove reactionary elements from government, destroy the entire nuclear arsenal. Hopefully more knowledgeable communists will take it from there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fully automated communism would be the goal. But steps to get there: (not super ordered)

  1. Redirect huge chunks of military funding to lift people out of poverty, provide healthcare, etc
  2. Rapidly phase out all fossil fuel subsidies, replace them with incentives for green energy, infrastructure like trains, bridges, etc
  3. Aggressive taxes on the wealthiest, to the point being a billionaire is impossible if not illegal. Redistribute this wealth to the masses
  4. Invest much more in science, focusing on ways to better balance our existence with nature
  5. Bring copyright back to its original 20 years, or better yet get rid of it entirely.
  6. Have any government software be open source and copy left. All public schools should also be using open source software to teach children so they have a better appreciation for it
  7. Convert many of our foreign military bases into centers to give back to the local communities, either with information or goods. If the country doesn’t want us, move out
  8. Move to some other form of voting. I’d say mixed party proportional for representatives in congress, ranked choice or star voting for president. Get rid of the senate or change how its members are elected.
  9. Heavily incentivise unions, at all levels. Local branches in each company, company wide, profession wide. Heavily punish union busting.
  10. Have elected workers on the board of each company, with equal or greater voting power than investors
  11. End single family zoning, make housing a right, start building dense housing in over priced cities
  12. End large corporate lobbying, have representatives paid based on how their constituents are doing

I’d want people in power who actually care about their constituents. Their incentives should be to help people, not pad their pockets

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You do realize that if all this is implemented, this will make the US more like Sweeden, i.e. the US will no longer be a superpower.

What about gun control?

EDIT: I like how you approach the issue though, well though of. Just have some other questions.

And what are your thoughts on leadership grooming of children... if the child has the right potential of course. This idea goes back to how tribes chose and educated their leaders (shamans). Basicaly, you embed emotinal connection to the people when they're still young. That and other things as well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m for reasonable gun control. Waiting periods, no fully automatic weapons. And the US is on the decline from being a superpower now. I don’t need or want America to be the world police. The world should have more partnerships, treaties, and such, and less superpowers dominating the landscape.

I don’t think we should be grooming children for leadership, I think leaders will emerge naturally as people grow and develop. We should be giving children resources to be their best selves with free education, housing, and food. People can elect those who feel best represent them and their interests. I’m a moral relativist, mores and values shift constantly and it is hard to predict what would be best with future technologies and societies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I’m for reasonable gun control. Waiting periods, no fully automatic weapons.

Reasonable, agrred.

And the US is on the decline from being a superpower now. I don’t need or want America to be the world police. The world should have more partnerships, treaties, and such, and less superpowers dominating the landscape.

Agreed, but not what most US citizens like to hear... cuz like it or not, that will also impact economical power, which will translate into less for everyone. Not necessarily poor, but the upper middle class will be dropped to lower middle... and they're still a large percentage of the population.

I don’t think we should be grooming children for leadership, I think leaders will emerge naturally as people grow and develop. We should be giving children resources to be their best selves with free education, housing, and food. People can elect those who feel best represent them and their interests. I’m a moral relativist, mores and values shift constantly and it is hard to predict what would be best with future technologies and societies.

Mhm, agree on this as well. But, I believe that if we are to survive as a species, leaders need to appointed, not elected. The only logical answer that came to mind as how can this peron be trusted is to be "programmed" from child with values that reflect the current social order and moral values.

Still, we'll see, I may be wrong about this, but the current system doesn't work well either. It's easilly corruptable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd just reduce the legal workday limit to 6 or possibly 4 hours but make paid overtime bureaucratically accessible to small companies that still require their workers at 8. I think a lot more people would have a time to get educated about their own material conditions if they actually had the time to read about it. Not foolproof as that is susceptible to gig economy fucking it up but that's a start I guess.

Another idea would be to just break up all the media conglomerates within the united states as all these branches of Paramount or WBD just talking to each other on full broadcast like they're different people is really harmful to how Unitedstadians see the world. Add in book publishers too as they've also been doing some nasty work of getting the rights to old historical books in foreign languages and horribly mistranslating it, and their whole business model is that of book landlords.

But honestly I think the USA as a state just needs to go at this point.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As in not exist any more as a federation? The states should exist, just not within a federation?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They really really need a Congress of the Soviets or National Convention moment to work out all the contradictions of their societies unconstrained by their current systems and protocols. It really is up to them and I wouldn't hold my breath for anything of value coming out of there, but there's only so much you can do within the bounds of a glacial congress and senate working with a constitution written by people who didn't think killing slave owners or genocidal latifundiarios was a moral obligation.

But I didn't consider in the other suggestion that it could also be for the betterment of societies that actually have any hope of becoming better, so I'd also change their entire foreign policy into "mind your own business gringo" and abolish the OAS, and that'd immediately make the lives throughout the American continent much better.

load more comments
view more: next ›