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Another Reddit refugee here,

I think we're all familiar with the Karma system on Reddit. Do you think Lemmy should have something similar? Because I can see cases for and against it.

For: a way to tracking quality contributions by a user, quantifying reputation. Useful to keep new accounts from spamming communities.

Against: Often not a useful metric, can be botted or otherwise unearned (see u/spez), maybe we should have something else?

What do you all think?

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[–] dreadedsemi 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, and I believe to encourage free expression of opinion, negative score on comments/posts should be hidden. minimum displayed score should be 1. internally it should have impact. Too negative comments/posts should be auto reported to mods to check if they break rules.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I actually liked karma points. But I can live without it. It's not that important.

[–] normalmighty 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can definitely live without it, bit I do miss it a lot.

I liked my magic internet points number, man.

[–] sebinspace 4 points 1 year ago

This. We can meme on them all day long, and we know they're worthless, but they feel nice. Oldest account had 40k+ because of a sick quilt my grandmother made.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I think it'd be silly not to track it, but in the end I don't really care. I also didn't really care about the YouTube downvote thing but people found ways of recoding that data anyway. So why not just support it?

I do think instances should be allowed to configure whether or not it's displayed or how it's requested for their users. Maybe they don't want to dish out the hard numbers but want to expose reputation from bandwidths e.g. anything in the negative is bad but between 0-100 is 'new user' and between 101-1000 is something else etc. But then again someone can make insightful authentic comments that just arent popular which shouldn't negatively affect their experience.

Tl;dr idk lol

[–] Minsk_trust 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I dont care about karma but i do like to see a users history, something i apparently cant do on mlem. Not sure if thats site-wide or just this app. Without that i wouldnt be able to confidently use the buy-sell communities that i did on reddit like knife_swap or watchexchange.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

If users would vote for constructivity, statistics about votes on the profile may be useful.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I believe that karma on reddit is a big reason for the repetitive jokes that would often appear in comments instead of meaningful discussions so I don't think lemmy should have karma.

[–] notExactlyI20 2 points 1 year ago

Karma isn't a bad idea in theory. But it gets abused and promotes farming bots. I dunno, it's a double edged sword

[–] Setarkus 2 points 1 year ago

I think it's nice without. Aside from the karma whoring others have mentioned, I think it'll also make it easier for people to switch instances if one turns to shit, though that may be solved in a future update so you can migrate your account. Still, this is something I really like here. Find out your instance is run by people with ideologies you don't want to associate with? Just switch to another one.

(Potential migration stuff:) Keeping posts and comments would be nice, though now that I think about it, that could also be used by people to fill accounts on their own instance, migrate, and thus flood other insurances (depending on how it's implemented, maybe I'm thinking wrong).

Well, I digress. I like it this way where no one feels the need to get as many useless points as possible ^^

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I don't care either way. I can live without it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's already "Reputation Points" so don't we already have that, but by another name? I like this name much better than "karma" by the way. I'm kinda good with what we have. It feels like an echo of some things from Reddit are here without being a total clone. Hopefully it won't influence people toward bad/annoying behavior like on Reddit.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One problem with karma as implemented by Reddit, if you're using it as a way to identify people whose contributions are highly valued by the community, is that there's no way to distinguish someone who posts a ton of things that sometimes get one or two upvotes from someone who posts a small number of highly-upvoted things or from someone who only occasionally engages with the community but has been on the service for 15 years slowly accumulating karma.

Maybe a ratio or average would be more useful than a raw score. Obviously you could get into the weeds with statistics but to the extent there's any value at all in a "how valued are this user's contributions?" metric, probably best to keep it a simple number.

[–] joroo 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't think we should. I think we should get rid of (visible) up- and downvotes all together. There are too many online spaces where you can get status from likes or upvotes. Let this be a space without all that.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Id say no. Karma leads to gamification and gamification leads to enshittification.

I’d rather have lower traffic and higher quality. Karma is of real benefit only to commercial owners, not users.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The karma is good here without Karma. I came here for karmic relief.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy actually already has something called "reputation". You have -3 sorry.

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[–] Shadywack 2 points 1 year ago

No

Given the toxicity and karma farming approach taken on Reddit, along with the emphasis on populism over thoughtful discourse, it's ultimately harmful to the quality of content posted.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No, we should not have a black box trust rating system, especially not one that will be exploited by weird elitist nerds.

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