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[–] [email protected] 97 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fucking scary how quickly people are willing to denounce a protest, just because it causes slight inconvenience for the everyday citizen. THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT! We're so addicted to convenience, and the only way people will wake up from their consumption-hypnosis, is through forced inconvenience.

[–] electrogamerman 16 points 1 year ago

Nah, bro, protest all you want but far away from everyone,, where no one can see you /s

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I honestly believe blocking roads the most effective way to protest in today's society.

It's one of the few ways that's dreamed "illegal" to protest. And most governments will do anything in it's power to clear the roads, including imprison people.

People need to realize that being late to work doesn't actually matter, but the state of the climate does. We need more road blocks. Some without people too, just barricades.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

The protests are pretty good and everything imo, but what needs to happen is burning down oil refineries or violence against CEOs and billionaires tbh. Nothing is going to change as long as the line continues to go up for the investor class

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[–] rigglesbee 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

People also need to realize that you're not just making people late to work by blocking roads. There are people going to receive medical care, emergency services, picking up their children, buying food, and otherwise providing for their families. I'm not saying these problems don't need attention, but please find another way.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is customary to allow emergency services to pass through blockades. But for other people, interrupting the economy is literally the point. The economy is destroying the means of habitability of this planet.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This blockade isn’t preventing any of that, there are small diversions. A mild inconvenience at worst.

Roads are regularly closed for events (which do not enjoy constitutional protection as a human right, as protests do) and roadworks.

Finally the other ways are being done. There was a simultaneous protest on a field nearby. There are regular marches, die-ins, sit-ins - you name it, it’s being done.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

You can make arguments like this for all forms of protests and the planet continues to burn.

What is an acceptable level of protest? Joining r/climatechange and upvoting the circle jerk?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What are you suggesting? That people find a way that doesn't impact anything in any way and can easily be ignored? And today's climate protests are easily the most non-violent protests the West has seen in a long time.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

A protest that isn't inconveniencing anybody isn't a protest

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[–] guriinii 45 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I saw a video of this and these police are firing the water cannons at children and families, which is just horrible.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Be aware that street blockade are not, as a rule, categorically excluded as a valid way of protesting and that this stretch to road is not in fact a highway - a sign says a much and the speed limit is 50km/h. There are traffic lights at both ends and detours are just a few 100 meters.

Furthermore the public prosecutor doesn’t charge the protestors because judges have ruled repeatedly that these are peaceful and orderly protests and hence people are acquitted or not sentenced.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The thumbnail makes it look like a fun water party.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

It only depends on the side of the canon.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Police said that they're fine that they're protesting the system, but that they wish it didn't involve them having to act. They don't realize that they're part of the system...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (21 children)

if i was dutch police, I wouldn't have done that. It seems Squack.y

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

@[email protected] Thought you'd be interested in this story: dutch folks were protesting fossil fuel subsidies and got water cannoned. All of this fossil fuel subsidy money could build out carbon free energy generation and transmission.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the level of state investment and subsidy in fossil fuel is absolutely ludicrous. If all of the money spent on subsidising fossil fuels was instead put into investment of renewables, that would DOUBLE the investments on renewables. It wouldn’t double the subsidy, it would double TOTAL SPENDING.

That is absolutely eye-watering to me.

If they want to keep fuel prices low, the best thing to do would be to nationalise all corporations in the fossilfuel industry - with a symbolic payment of $0.01 per share or something like that - and run them to completely forego profit and to put those companies intentionally into decline.

[–] Skkorm 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This what police do. Being a cop is being a class traitor, it's choosing to be a tool of oppression.

Even if that isn't the cop's goal when joining the police force, oppression is what they are consenting to. ACAB isn't just a buzzword. It's the reaction to the reality of that job. No cop is a good cop.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

video of this is here

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