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I noticed that some people just have an extreme hatred for furries.
I have a friend and I would not call him a generally intolerant person at all, he knows I am homosexual and never cared unlike all other people I have ever told about that(around 6 people), but he has an extreme hatred for anything furry. Like on the level of "All furries should be killed" not the usual shit we can read on the internet.

I do not understand it, but there is really no way to get him to any not as extreme standpoint.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I thought hating on furries was a 4chan meme that became a tiktok meme.

But I've a few reasons why that meme may have gained traction. Firstly it's not a sexuality like homosexuality. It's more of a fetish, and people make fun of fetishes all the time - see feet, or, idk, midget. I'm sure some maintain its not sexual, but the community overwhelmingly is. Second, it has associations with beastiality. Now I'd assume the vast majority of furries don't harbour sexual attractions to real animals, but it's certainly on that side of the Venn diagram, which may cause some concern. Finally people involved generally seem to be social outcasts. You don't see many captain of the football team furries or cheerleader furries. If school kids are already picking on the weebs and the nerds, finding out some of them dress up like animals and hang out is fuel for the fire.

As for calls to killing furries, I'd wager the majority of that is just joining in on the meme. I'm sure furries would get bullied at school, but as for vehement violence I doubt it transcends the bullying that the D&D kids receive. Not that I condone any violence or bullying towards anyone, furries included. But if you were wondering why people dislike em, maybe this helps.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

It’s more of a fetish

I would not say its a fetish, but a fetish can be attached to it. First and foremost its simply a liking for antro characters in e general sense.
And about sexuality, which is certainly the point where people show the most hate. Furries are into human based fanatsy characters with a wild mix of features, from nature inspired to completely made up and that with a great emphasis on the human base of the character.

Finally people involved generally seem to be social outcasts.

A great amount of us are aspergers, me as well. We are by nature social outcasts and the target of everyone that can somehow have power over us. So its neither getting worse nor better.

[–] fubo 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

My guess is it's pretty similar to drag hate.

Someone has a discomfort with blurring certain boundaries in society, and they express it as violent eliminationism — especially after being encouraged to do so as an "acceptable target" by bullies, propagandists, or other haters.

Just as with drag costuming & performance, furry is not itself a sex practice — but it's often closely connected with queer sexualities.

Furrydom also applies queerness to things that many folks feel protective of, such as cute animals, and characters that are (or appear to be) from children's media. That triggers the "queers are pedophiles" delusion, which is not new — look up Anita Bryant but has been heavily popularized by fascists of late.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's primarily cringe culture. Some people choose to make themselves feel powerful by bullying and harassing others, and furries are often "easy targets."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I think this is the answer.

The furries i have met irl seemed to be disproportionately socially awkward, and some people in the wider geek culture around them seemed to delight in having someone to look down on as less than.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

When we ask people to try to understand something that is outside of their close social norms, hate soon follows unfortunately. People fear and hate "the others" that they do not understand themselves. It goes deeper than that, but it's usually where it starts.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

It's cringe culture, the same reason people make fun of weebs or anyone else who goes outside of the "norm". There's also the issue that some people think that it's too childish or too sexual (or both at once, somehow)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I find the anthropomorphic children's cartoon aesthetic of furries to be extremely cringe. Its juvenile and ugly, and then when its sexualized or people are making fursuits, it becomes exponentially more cringe.

I think if furries had a better art style and less weirdly anthropomorphized, I might even be on board.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you also see "Anime" as children's cartoon aesthetic?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's a good question. Some anime styles, definitely not. Other anime styles, maybe. But it definitely doesn't feel "childish" to me in the same way anthropomorphic animals do. It may be my personal experience. I associate anthropomorphic animals, and the particular art style of furries, to media I consumed between the ages of like 2 and 8. I wasn't exposed to anime until I was a young teenager, so it doesn't really have that association with childhood for me.

I really do find it fascinating to analyze these biases, because I do consider it an irrational bias that I have. I can analyze the reasons for it, but it isn't really a logic, just a feeling.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I think that mainly is it, personal experience and a locked in first impression.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I'm not a furry, I'm chill with furries, but I do wish there was more variety in the art style. A lot of it is human anime-esque with furry features or too mascot-y. I think I would be a furry if more of them were drawn like disney, looney toon, and other western cartoons. But not much is.

So even though I like cartoon animals, I can only consider myself maybe 5% furry at best.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

It's a knee-jerk disgust reaction towards any group different from the norm. Furries are also overwhelming queer, so homophobia ties a lot into it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Some people think all furries want sex with animals.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This article provides a pretty good breakdown of 9 reasons why people would be hostile towards furries.

The one that stood out to me most and was my first thought was:

  1. Lack Of Understanding - As with anything new, there is a general lack of understanding of the furry community. The older generation has a more difficult time coming to terms with the furry lifestyle (…) Unfortunately, many people are not willing to give furries any patience. They hate them right away, without a second thought, just because they are different from them.
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't hate them, I just find them weird. Because furry culture seems to be mostly populated by homosexual males, I am basically not interested in it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

We do have heterosexuals and bisexuals. According to surveys only around 50% of us are homosexuals. We also have a astonishingly high amount of Aspergers.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My guess is that they confuse furries with people who are sexually attracted to animals or animal characteristics.

In reality, furries are people who partially or fully identify with what native people would have called their spirit animal and modern furries call their fursona (except with more or less human features, because they meld what they see as their spirit animal with their human self).

But because drawings of fursonae exist, rule 34 ensures that there is porn of them. Some people really like that kind of porn, unrelated to whether they're furries or not, and I believe it is those people the hate is directed at.

As for why, I would guess it's something like "how dare you sexualise animals!" (or maybe even a subconscious "how dare you make a drawing of what I believe is supposed to be an animal that is actually sexy to me!", similar to how some conservatives are so vehemently against homosexuality because they secretly feel tempted, and then get caught at a gay orgy later). And/or they see it as something like a gateway drug to bestiality (sexual abuse towards animals).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

But because drawings of fursonae exist, rule 34 ensures that there is porn of them. Some people really like that kind of porn, unrelated to whether they're furries or not, and I believe it is those people the hate is directed at.

This would be my opinion. I'm neutral towards furries; I am not neutral towards the flood of porn that seems to make up the majority of my every (and often only) contact with the furry community and I'm honestly surprised that wouldn't be the obvious answer. Do I get to see how those suits are crafted? No, I've never seen that. Saw a tiger getting railed in an elevator yesterday, though.

It's really not doing me any favors in the fediverse right now. I shouldn't have to voluntarily search "yiff" every few days just to search for new things to preemptively block and I can't turn NSFW off, either, without banning myself from my own medical subs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This would be my opinion. I'm neutral towards furries; I am not neutral towards the flood of porn that seems to make up the majority of my every (and often only) contact with the furry community and I'm honestly surprised that wouldn't be the obvious answer. Do I get to see how those suits are crafted?

Those suits are incredibly expensive and they are trade secrets to the people who make them as they want to protect their market. Generally some people have them, and it may look like its the final goal of everyone in the community to own one of their character, but its not. Its a tiny amount of people who both want one and can effort the at least 20k€, like just a head costs around 5k€.

No, I've never seen that. Saw a tiger getting railed in an elevator yesterday, though.
It's really not doing me any favors in the fediverse right now. I shouldn't have to voluntarily search "yiff" every few days just to search for new things to preemptively block and I can't turn NSFW off, either, without banning myself from my own medical subs.

I see this as a general issue that magazines/communities can not be generally set as NSFW, only individual posts and people sometimes forget that. And you are not alone with that, I am also suffer from that because I would rather not see naked female ass in All. It is always something that annoys people if they see porn they do not like but do not pretend like you are the only one that is victim to that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Those suits are incredibly expensive and they are trade secrets to the people who make them as they want to protect their market.

That makes a lot of sense now that you say it, but I'm still gonna be sad about it. I really like crafting videos these days.

I see this as a general issue that magazines/communities can not be generally set as NSFW, only individual posts and people sometimes forget that. And you are not alone with that, I am also suffer from that because I would rather not see naked female ass in All.

You...can, though? I can with mine, anyway. Is that something only kbin can do right now, or am I misunderstanding what you mean?

Not that it makes much of a difference for people who want more granular nsfw settings. Still really waiting on those, I think adding auto-tagging to submissions and then presenting the ability to filter by tag is a fantastic idea that would really solve a ton. I literally have to do the same with sports that I have to do for porn subs in order to get them out of my feed and they just keep proliferating every time someone subs to or spins up a new instance. I know past a certain point bitching about all topics being in All is dumb, but blocking doesn't accomplish as much as it should right now just due to the nature of the fediverse.

Admittedly, if you're someone who doesn't mind porn in All as long as it's your fetish, it would be easier to whitelist things at that point. There'd have to be a whole menu and everything, which I'm sure is doable. For furries, monster fuckers, etc., this would necessitate a "human porn" tag to enter wide use and I don't ever see that happening, so they and they alone are stuck blocking nsfw and subbing directly.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You...can, though? I can with mine, anyway. Is that something only kbin can do right now, or am I misunderstanding what you mean?

If, then its new, but the main community having adult furry content is using lemmy.

Admittedly, if you're someone who doesn't mind porn in All as long as it's your fetish, it would be easier to whitelist things at that point.

I generally do not want to see porn in All, neither human porn nor furry gay porn. It the one thing that does not belong in All. All is to learn about new content, and you are not gonna start to like furry gay porn and I am not going to start to like naked female ass. Porn is a individual thing and I believe everyone knows what he or she wants and follows the magazines/communities that offer that without having to discover it in all.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

What is interesting to me is, yes sure unconventional ideas in porn are something people easily find rage for, yet that is not the issue for that friend of mine. He himself can be called unconventional in that regard. He really just hates the idea of antro furry in general.

As a homosexual that rage is something I am well too familiar already as that it would bother me.

[–] dontforgetthat 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I might get downvoted to hell but here goes. Unironically roleplaying as animals by wearing costumes and finding that sexually stimulating is fucking weird man.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Let's assume that it is "fucking weird, man," for the purpose of this discussion. Please walk me from there to hating furries.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you think that is unacceptably weird, then you seen nothing. Though the portion of people who can afford such costumes that start at 20k and are into adult roleplaying with that is tiny.

[–] dontforgetthat 2 points 2 years ago

unacceptably weird

I mean as long as it isn't harming others nothing is unacceptably weird, but I still find it very weird and I don't get it at all

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

It is kinda weird because whats the difference between that and zoophilia? Though I dont really give a fuck what people do or think, I dont "hate" anyone for being anything

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah it's weird, but it's somebodies good fun. I'm not into it but hell, if they are have at it. No need to get angry about it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Dom-Daddy-Little-Girl (DDLG) roleplay is pretty fucking weird too, but doesn't seem to get anywhere near the same level of hate

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

They're seen as acceptable targets, and the fandom doesn't exactly have the best history of dealing with problematic members.

It goes a bit far though, obviously, given the whole "were subject to a literal chemical weapons attack and no one cared" thing.

[–] Duchess 2 points 2 years ago

furry hate started on something awful, which transferred to 4chan and other sites in the early-mid internet. from what i've experienced it's a combination of finding us annoying and a condemnation of what they view as sexual perversion. furries have always been closely linked with the lgbt community however these days anti-furry rhetoric is barely veiled transphobia. that being said, if someone wants to personally call me annoying or speculate that i'm into x or y fetish, i really don't care. this of course doesn't cover zoophilia or pedophilia, which i'm outspoken in opposition to both inside and outside of the furry community.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think there was a wide and deep vein of “look at these fucking weirdos” that shaped a lot of early aughts internet gathering places. I’m thinking of Something Awful in particular but the phenomenon was certainly a lot more widespread than SA.

While “look at these fucking weirdos” was by no means confined to dunking on furries, I feel like for whatever reason furries kind of became the highest profile subculture to be brought to wider, mainstream attention—and derision—during this era. I vividly remember poking around on SA when I was in college circa 2003-04 and there was a lot of anti-furry sentiment (much of it grounded in the assumption that for all furries everywhere furridom was exclusively a sex thing.) Eventually that anti-furry sentiment was felt across the internet. LiveJournal, for example, was home to a lot of furries but also to a lot of furry-hating trolls.

The internet in the first decade of the new millennium was a deeply weird place. For a good (though extremely distressing!) overview of how and why places like SA became what they did, the Behind the Bastards series on Chris Chan is solid. It’s not furry-related, but a similar “let’s gather around and gawk at and eventually harass and provoke this fucking weirdo” thing played out in Chris Chan’s “discovery” by Something Awful. I’ll put a link below with a caveat that basically every type of content warning you can imagine applies to these episodes , though imho Robert Evans and Margaret Killjoy handle the Chris Chan story with as much sensitivity and compassion as one could hope.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Behind the Bastards: a Terrible Story About the Internet. Two parts, with guest Margaret Killjoy.

5/10/22 Part One: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/behind-the-bastards/id1373812661?i=1000560258046

5/12/22 Part Two: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/behind-the-bastards/id1373812661?i=1000560735697

Like I said, this isn’t actually about furries, but a lot of the “how” in this saga can, I think, be applied to the rise of anti-furridom in the early-mid aughts. Maybe some of the “why,” too.

(And seriously, proceed with caution. It’s an upsetting story rife with mentions of child abuse, ableism, sexual assault, elder abuse, racism, transphobia, suicide, stalking/harassment—I’m sure I’m leaving things out; be advised it’s rough. That said, it’s well done imho and worth a listen if you want a better understanding of how the internet got the way it is.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Take a walk around Furcadia, check out some user generated dreams, and report back to me what you find

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Jesus, I haven't heard the name "Furcadia" in like, 20 years. I wasn't aware it was still in operation. I thought most of us had moved on to SL or VRchat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Never heard of that game, would you please tell me what you expect me to find because I rather not play it just to figure that out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I'm Surprised, it's the pre-eminent MMOSG/MMORPG for the furry community.

I expect you to find what makes people uneasy around furries

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wow Furcadia is still a thing? I remember it being around like.. idk... 20 years ago. If its still going, that's pretty cool. I love when old parts of the internet are still there, just chugging away in their own little corner.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, they had a kickstarter in 2012 and revamped everything

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am not surprised to not know it, I am not into this kind of games. Actually so far I know no game I like that has furry content. I do not play much in general. But I think you where talking about those so called "dreams" that they also mention on the website, mind telling me what you found in those?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

hard to describe it exactly. An atmosphere of goofy, cartoony demeanors and rope play. As an example.

The furry community isn't a monolith, but what i've seen fairly consistently is a cartoonish kind of behavior. Kind of silly, cutesey. And on the margins of that is sexual content. It's a weird combination.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I will preface this by saying I have zero hate for people enjoying themselves without harming others.

When someone injects extreme representations of themselves into every encounter they have with no regard for context, it can be frustrating. It's off-putting to be having a typical conversation and suddenly have someone use RP text. It's not the culture that is off-putting, it's the out-of-context actions.

I understand that for some, social cues and context around conversation might not be as clear or understood. I just personally have a hard time handling a conversation when the other party is suddenly RPing as their fursona outside of that space.

Just because someone doesn't understand that is no reason to have some sort of extreme hate towards them though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't have a problem with furries because they're furries, I just haven't met one that didn't annoy the very piss right out of me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Mind telling us about the annoyances you experienced?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I wonder, in a Venn diagram, how many furry haters are also cyclist haters?

If it's a significant overlap, I wonder what the common themes are?

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