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On the anniversary of the Dobbs decision, 53% say abortion access nationwide has become too difficult, a new NBC News poll finds.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Physician here. There are too many possible issues with pregnancy, social situations, etc. to ever effectively be able to navigate that decision tree via legislation. It is barbaric to force women through a non-viable pregnancy. It is barbaric to withhold medical care from a woman whose life is threatened by her pregnancy. It is barbaric to force women into a devastating social situation.

Society will never agree on where the line should be placed or what is morally correct. The decision needs to be in the hands of the mother and their medical team.

Finally, for those who believe in "natural consequences". No birth control is 100% effective. Not all sex is consensual. Non-viable pregnancies happen regardless of how careful you are. Bad outcomes aren't always the result of bad choices.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

It wasn't a good thing that this was overturned. but the protection for abortions should never have been based entirely on a ruling of the supreme court, When, and I really hope it's when, they get an opportunity to next make abortion protected federally it must be codified that way something like this doesn't happen again. As is the Supreme Court has two much power and influence for a group of 9 lifetime appointees.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The idea that everything ever must be explicitly specified in the constitution overrides decades (maybe centuries) of legal precedent. That idea only popped up when a weaponized supreme court showed up to do what they were put in their position to do, aka violate everything the supreme court is intended to do

[–] billiam0202 4 points 1 year ago

Absolutely. In fact, the Ninth Amendment was written because of that very argument- it says that not every right is enumerated and that there are rights that exist outside of the Constitution.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

And it is too easy for republicans - by hook and by shameless cynical crook - to ram their corrupt zealots into SCOTUS, squatting for an entire lifetime, whoring themselves to the highest right-wing corporate and church bidders.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Completely agreed, but something that needs to be noted - because I see people who have clearly been misled about this all the time - is that there has never been a majority in Congress that would pass law codifying abortion rights. Even during the brief Democratic supermajority in 2009, there were several pro-life Democrats that wouldn't have supported it. Public opinion is moving in the right direction, especially now, and conservative Democrats are essentially archaic relics nowadays, but it's still an uphill battle, though I am cautiously optimistic in the long-term.

I see people often say that the Democrats have never really cared about abortion, and that if they did they'd have gotten it done in 2009. This simply is not the case.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@AlternativeEmphasis I think it was a great decision. In general the federal government should be doing very little imo. Different people in different states overwhelmingly have different opinions. Now that can play out

[–] AbidanYre 3 points 1 year ago

Bodily autonomy shouldn't be dependent on your geographical location.

If you don't want an abortion, don't get one.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then 61% of the 61% also insists that bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe and neglects (for the nth time) to vote. Sitting on their intellectually lazy asses at home, fondling their so-called purity, then lovingly sniffing their fingers.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But they are both the same. They're just doing good cop bad cop

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yup. When Hilary lost the election, they tried to overthrow the government, too!

Oh and everybody is selling secrets to the saudis!

And, uh…demonic child sacrifice!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's wild how many Americans seem to think the Supreme Justices are legislators.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

If you are in favor of abortion or opposed, I think it is time to recognize that the Roe ruling wasn't written to last the test of time. They punted on the question of when human life and human rights begin and said, lacking any understanding of that question, the issue becomes a privacy issue. At some point society is going to have to deal with the question of the genesis of human life and human rights and what to do when there's a conflict. I would have thought the result was going to be drawing the line somewhere and then creating some sort of due process when an abortion is requested after that drawn line. Instead, we have what's also not a well-written tossing of Roe that punts the question to the states instead. I strongly believe that the issue will be revisited in the courts in our lifetime.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don't care what your stance on abortion is, this is shitty behaviour.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Good for the American voters.

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