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We all know that lemmy.world is the most popular instance, but how does it compare to kbin.social? Which do you think will be more popular in the long run?

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[–] kfoo 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Average Lemmy user and Kbin user counts as a whole across all instances are about even, but the cool thing about it is that it doesn't matter. Any user on any lemmy OR Kbin instance can access content on any other instance, barring any "defederation" activities by the instance owners.

[–] PonceDeLeon 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've searched for Lemmy world communities on kbin and came up dry. There's a problem of communication between the sites.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Uhm, hi? 😁

There are occasional issues depending on traffic but in my experience it generally works pretty well. Keep in mind that kbin has a slightly different syntax for adding completely new communities that nobody has subscribed to yet, it's not !x@y but rather @x@y and it only works in search, not all communities, tab.

[–] PonceDeLeon 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Still no. Search on kbin @lemmyworldcommunity@Lemmy.world

Yields empty result

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

There is no community called "lemmyworldcommunity" on lemmy.world (upper or lower case also matters) so i cant check your example but in other cases it works fine for me

https://i.imgur.com/fptIeI3.png

[–] PonceDeLeon 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] PonceDeLeon 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Weird. I was only trying the mobile website without a kbin account. Another example :/

https://Lemmy.world/pictrs/image/82de5184-542f-4d38-9f40-31b71eb3ea8e.png

Maybe one just needs a kbin account to view the search results?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As I mentioned before you should go to actual search page (https://kbin.social/search), not the magazine/community search (https://kbin.social/magazines). Then it should find everything.

I'm not sure if it's a bug or a feature but that's how it works for now Β―\(ツ)/Β―

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ve had no issues before when using kbin and finding Lemmy communities but I’ve just tried again there to check and the search is not working for me either now.

[–] gsa32 3 points 1 year ago
[–] jennwiththesea 12 points 1 year ago

I hope they continue to serve their users and federate together, along with other large instances. The more the better! We need stability and options. (I'm saying this as a .world user, who is very happy here. Ruud seems to know what he's doing.)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Holy shit, you just made me realize that third party platforms don't seem to be tracking the active users on Lemmy accurately. Either that or kbin is defining an active user very generously and Lemmy is being more strict.

https://the-federation.info/node/details/48862 https://the-federation.info/node/details/49984

See how kbin.social and lemmy.world have nearly identical trajectories? Lemmy.world actually has significantly more posts and comments. However, lemmy.world only shows like 12k active users and kbin shows all 42k of it's users as active.

Incidentally, the answer to OP is that lemmy.world is slightly more popular now, but kbin.social is looking like they will overtake eventually.

This is a vital issue to get to the bottom of, because the narrative from reddit is going to be that Lemmy's userbase is all bots. And then you go to a page like this and it does look pretty bad.

https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse

If kbin is overcounting active users, we can leave that for later πŸ˜…. But if Lemmy is undercounting, we need to fix that ASAP.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Kbin is a good ui. Lemmy has good data.

[–] kabe 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Thankfully, fixing Lemmy's UI on desktop is as simple as installing a CSS browser plugin and copy/pasting in one of the many custom themes that are already available.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Where does one find custom themes?

[–] kabe 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Kbin has features around filtering and sorting built into the engine that you can't fix with a Lemmy reskin. I know this because I wrote one lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I see. I guess that means we still need more users 🫠

[–] MiddleWeigh 1 points 1 year ago

Yo i Iold at the active vs total users on that tracker. Dam bots. I'm not a tech person so I'm genuinely curious what they're preparing for.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As long as federation exists ... why does it matter? That is the beauty of decentralization, right?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

As others have said, does it matter? It's like asking how many astraweb users there are vs giganews.

The wheel of time turns and ages come and pass. There are neither endings nor beginnings.

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