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In response to Wayland Breaks Your Bad Software

I say that the technical merits are irrelevant because I don't believe that they're a major factor any more in most people moving or not moving to Wayland.

With only a slight amount of generalization, none of these people will be moved by Wayland's technical merits. The energetic people who could be persuaded by technical merits to go through switching desktop environments or in some cases replacing hardware (or accepting limited features) have mostly moved to Wayland already. The people who remain on X are there either because they don't want to rebuild their desktop environment, they don't want to do without features and performance they currently have, or their Linux distribution doesn't think their desktop should switch to Wayland yet.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yea, I'm currently using Wayland because Manjaro comes with it but like 90% of the programs I use launch with xwayland anyway. I'm not a developer but can't they just give it proper support for all programs? Like run those programs like they do on X11. Seems pointless if nothing works on it.

Not to mention my laptop with Nvidia graphics, that is just so broken on Wayland I ended up switching it to X11 and I'm very lazy.

[–] orangeboats 5 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Most programs you use (provided they are FOSS) probably already support Wayland, they just don't do it by default. The following list of environment variables can go a long way in making your system largely Wayland-native.

GDK_BACKEND=wayland
QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland
MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1
#SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland # this one is dangerous if you play games
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

manjaro switched to Wayland??!

i installed it a couple of years ago... should i search on how to switch it to Wayland?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I won't mind moving to Wayland but really , X11/xorg just works to me with all the feat. (hidpi, multi-monitor etc...) I don't need fractional scaling, my 27" monitor is UHD but with right ppi set, everything looks good BUT I understand the interest.

And I do understand the need to move away from X because of Elon... just kidding. Yes, we need to move to a better architecture but it must 1:1 in term of feat/stability, at least.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have software dating back to 2003 that I need to support. X11 isn't going anywhere.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I don't see the problem, I also don't see how this is a novel situation.

The technical merits of system level protocols only really affect the user insofar as they make it easier for userspace application writers to make their software. This is why we have the distinction, so that users never have to change the underlying software, and when they choose to it's because everything just works.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I couldn't get OBS working. X11 works for it, so I keep using it. Hopefully eventually, I won't need to, but I don't have the time to spend hours researching and troubleshooting. I tried, failed, but x11 Just Works TM. I'm part of the problem, I guess.

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[–] kshade 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The big reason why I'm still on Xorg and will be for a while is XFCE. I've tried everything from KDE Neon to Sway but they are either missing features I want or were too buggy to bother. Should try Budgie again when 11 comes out though, that seems to be close to XFCE in terms of scope and is supposed to work well with Wayland by then.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

There a synergy/barrier replacement working on Wayland yet?

No?

Then I guess Wayland isn't ready yet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Client machine is a Windows box, and I can't change that, unfortunately.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I keep trying it but for me its not ready yet. Finally, in 2023 I can actually boot into it, but I get random freezes for up to a few minutes at a time. So it's closer, but not stable yet. Hoping that Plasma 6 will be good to go.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The only reason I use Wayland is because I have two monitor with different refresh rate. In X, the monitor with the highest refresh is capped to the lowest one and I never figured out how to fix it. In Wayland it just work. Hoverwise I will still be on X.

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