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I recently made a new account on lemmy.blahaj.zone, because I’ve been harassed and doxxed on my old account and I wanted a fresh start with a more lighthearted online identity that I could be more open about my gender identity on. I’d heard blahaj zone was good for trans people, so I made my account there. And yeah, [email protected] removed my post discussing neuronormativism from a queer perspective, but I hoped maybe “the trans instance” would be friendlier to trans people.

A couple days after making my account, I saw someone on Blahaj engaging in the tired old cliche of “I hate politics, there’s no politics on my social media and I want to keep it that way!” Well we’ve all heard the joke that the two races are white and political, the two genders are male and political, and the two sexualities are straight and political. Hatred of politics is a transphobic, sexist, and racist trope. And having sufferred harassment and abuse from people inside the queer community who “hated politics” and saw trans or nonbinary or xenogender identities as political, I knew this kind of speech was going to make bigots feel comfortable saying they also hate politics, and they think us trans people are it.

So, I responded to the transphobia. I started out by attempting to educate them on what politics actually means. But I was interrupted by the Blahaj admin Ada, who told me that politics is “anything I disagree with”, and that indeed politics isn’t welcome on Blahaj. This language was deeply triggering of my past issues dealing with abuse, and I knew from past experience this sort of thing is said by people who are getting ready to say some enbyphobic or racist hate speech. It is especially common for white queer people to talk this way to BIPOC queer people. I tried to reason with Ada, explained the history of the cliche, the trauma it’s caused many trans people, and the consequences this kind of speech will have on the community here, making us all less safe.

Ada wasn’t having it. She minimised my concerns by reducing them to my personal trauma while ignoring my wider concerns for others’ safety, and weaponised my PTSD to paint my opinions as invalid because I am mentally ill. She said she owns Blahaj, and she gets to do whatever she wants with it, and nobody is allowed to express a differing opinion, even one that protects trans people, because that’s politics. At the time I thought her concern was me speaking directly to transphobes and making them feel uncomfortable by calling out their actions, so I said I’d just report it instead, and she banned my account.

This behaviour protects transphobes, WILL lead to trans and BIPOC people being harassed on this instance, attacks and gaslights victims of trauma (my concerns can’t be valid because I have a mental illness), and forces out any trans person with a commitment to safety for the community.


The thread where all this happened: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/2143969


EDIT: The person who originally posted the transphobic views on politics is now misgendering me and calling me a "guy" despite me being very openly nonbinary: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/2319669. And I didn't call them autistic at any point.

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[–] Xylinna 4 points 1 year ago

Locking this post as comments are devolving away from discussing the Fediverse and no longer on topic.

[–] sugarfree 40 points 1 year ago

Well done if this is a troll post. If not, lol.

[–] Fantomas 40 points 1 year ago

I started out by attempting to educate them on what politics actually means.

There it is.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Hey, Abigail here. I just want people to know the reason this guy got banned is likely because of a deleted comment not included in that thread. OP called me autistic for not liking politics. THAT kind of behavior is not acceptable on lemmy.blahaj.zone, so I reported the comment and let Ada handle it. Ada tried in good faith to reason with OP but it was clear they just wanted to fight. So yeah, they got banned. Ada's a fantastic lady who's been great at keeping the trolls at bay.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Don't worry about it too much. From what I've read in this thread alone is enough for me to label OP as a troll.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I'm on your side, good mod. Thank you for your efforts in combating real transphobia and not this nonsense.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

English default on the internet is male for strangers.

So you misgender every transfemme stranger you meet as a matter of personal policy? Your defence for misgendering me is that you do it to every trans girl and enby? And Ada is defending you?

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

Lmao what is this? First time on the internet?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Saying this as somebody just reading the post, I don't know the whole context.

Being somebody who is BIPOC, you're not doing us much of a favor either by having an outrage across multiple corners of the fediverse. Take a breather. Seriously, zoom out and just consider what you are writing right now.

Hatred of politics is a transphobic, sexist, and racist trope.

...what if I just don't like seeing news that only makes me feel angry or bad on my feed. People have different things they want to participate in and see. Just because you like it to discuss it doesn't mean you should jump to accusations when someone doesn't want to. Its a sensitive topic to begin with. I just come here to see tech, cars, and art.

I started out by attempting to educate them on what politics actually means.

This comes off very pretentious. Just let this one go bro.

Look, I don't know what's going on with this blahaj place's moderation or whatever and its not my business. Just based on what I see here, you may want to take a good proof read at what you are saying and spreading around before you lead yourself somewhere that you regret. If you don't like this blahaj server's rules or anything, just leave. Its just the internet. You might find somewhere better suited for you if you just move your account to another instance. If you want to voice concerns, spreading posts like these across multiple communities isn't the way to do it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

If you don’t like this blahaj server’s rules or anything, just leave. Its just the internet.

Yes, but, but ...

'What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!'

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I really appreciate your advice

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

OP is cringe af.

Ada was professional and clear in their responses and you are being argumentative for the sake of argument.

It appears you weren't banned for transphobia, but for causing an environment that is not positive nor in line with what Ada is fostering. And tbh the less negative information on Blahaj zone the better, I want positivity.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I also would like my non political communities to be void of politics. I'm glad to see an admin actually stop that. None of the Reddit mods would ever stop political crap, even though it was against the sub rules.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

As someone who supports the trans community, I think this whole thing makes the trans community look bad. There are real issues to fight, but this isn't one of them.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

My dude and guy... Those two nouns are pretty much universal.

Also not everything has to be political because it's very tiring. Ada really tried thier best to reason with you but you continue to add fire to the pile. This ban is solely on you and your harassment. Take Abigail's advice and touch grass.

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[–] hal_5700X 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh My God Who the hell cares?!

Your best move is to move on.

EDIT You got a 24 hour ban. It expired 9 hours ago. So you're unbanned now. Move on.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Sometimes, after a period of time dealing with the day to day realities resulting from political issues, people just want to be somewhere where they don't have to keep having to experience those issues, even in text form. Everyone needs a break for awhile and saying so is not an act of transphobia or any other kind of intolerance, its just an acknowledgment that everyone has a limit and needs to be aware of how stretching that limit can effect mental health.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What was your old username? Would be helpful to look you up in the modlogs

[–] dojan 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They've linked the thread.

The alleged transphobe would be Abigail Watson, and I assume our OP is "PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES."

I honestly don't really see the transphobia, which feels a bit shaky for me to say given that I'm cis, but it looks more like OP went ham on a person saying that they prefer to spend their social media time scrolling cat pictures, sewing, and fanart, or well things like it.

Ada's responses to me seem very well grounded. This in particular stands out.

And what I’m saying is that this sort of talk of the semantics of queer discourse needs to be opt in for your peers, because not everyone has the spoons to deal with that discussion. Some people are explicitly trying to get away from it.

Honestly, I kind of feel for Abigail. I personally have a pretty low tolerance for news, political or otherwise. They're always presented in a sensationalist manner, and often just outright horrible. I just don't have the energy to spend on things that ultimately make me feel miserable, so I try to shut it out.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Go back to reddit

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Nobody cares man. Why do you think this is the proper forum to air your grievance about a known shitty instance?

Stop visiting that instance. Problem solved.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Sounds like a good time to start your own instance you can moderate and set the tone in.

When your on a mission to convert and correct the way other people think, no matter how right you are, your going to run into resistance. Especially if the conversation isn't focused on the idea your trying to convey.

Your acting like a missionary, and complaining the heathens don't accept the gospel.

Sounds icky doesn't it? Win over people by slowly socializing and normalizing your viewpoint. Hearts and minds take time. Running up to anyone when they are doing something else and engaging in hostile debate is just going to put their hackles up, even if they might have agreed with you in the right context.

Think about what you want to change, and ask yourself if yout actions are getting the results you want.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, so you're kinda messing up. You can't decide to make a new account for a fresh start and then get into the same arguments as before. I understand you want everyone to share your view point, but how about just taking some time to absorb everyone and get a feel for the community?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

You've misunderstood. The new account I made for a fresh start is u/PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES. I made this account to continue discussing the issue because I think Ada's transphobia deserves attention. A lot of people pressure victims of abuse to stay silent, but I don't believe in doing that.

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