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[–] SheeEttin 39 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Wait, the IDF shot an Israeli throwing rocks at Palestinians? Usually they shoot the Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

That's why it's funny. They shoot Palestinians all the time but one settler gets shot and it's reported everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Took me a while for my brain not to misinterpret the title.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (2 children)

the soldiers began a “suspect arrest procedure,” which included opening fire at one of the suspects

Seems like a slightly harsh procedure to arrest someone with stones as their weapon.

[–] Barns 37 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Without opening a discussion about the conflict itself or justifying anything in the article, I will say that as someone who's been on the receiving end of an adult throwing 5-10 pounds rocks at full strength at them, I truly think you're underestimating the deadly damage it can cause.

This isn't a toddler throwing pebbles, such a rock hitting a human will break bones on contact and can absolutely kill of it hits someone's head

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

Yeah, you have to view it like stoning. One good rock to an unprotected head is all it takes to turn the lights off.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean true enough but don't they wear protective gear?

[–] DoomBot5 15 points 10 months ago

Civilians walking around or driving in cars? No they don't.

Even for the army with gear on, it will generally save their lives when hit in the right spot, but the stones will still cause injuries wherever they hit.

[–] PitzNR 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The actual procedure is actually calling the suspect to stop, first in Hebrew, then in Arabic, if the suspect does not stop then the soldier loads a round in the chamber, next a warning shot to the air, and then shooting at the suspect's legs, all the while calling for the suspect to stop. IDF has a tendency to... Expedite this procedure.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

It doesn't help that the ultra-religious, which makes up 99% of settlers, hate the IDF almost as much as Palestinians. The fact they weren't throwing rocks at the troops surprised me the most.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

It doesn’t help that the ultra-religious, which makes up 99% of settlers, hate the IDF almost as much as Palestinians.

I had no idea this was the case. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It doesn’t help that the ultra-religious, which makes up 99% of settlers, hate the IDF almost as much as Palestinians.

Wait really? Why?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's a big mixed bag, but a few key reasons are:

  • The IDF represent an armed faction of the secular Jews of Israel. They will make a distinction of Israelis and Israelites, with the Orthodox being the latter. Before the Romans, there were the states of Israel (Tel Aviv) and Judea (Jerusalem), so that separation continues in their mind.
  • If their kids were conscripted, they fear the secular influences upon them and it is a driving factor in their opposition to conscription.
  • Surprisingly, there are factions of Orthodox who don't believe the state of Israel should exist, at least until the Messiah returns. So they oppose the armed faction of the illegitimate state.

There is so much I can't even begin to explain, and I'm sure some Israelis would even have corrections from what I learned over there. The Orthodox live a decent lifestyle which is 100% paid for by the Secular community, so they can spend their days studying and causing trouble for others. When you hear about armed groups shooting at Palestinians and burning down homes, you're making a safe bet if you assume they're Orthodox.

[–] LeonidasFett -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But if not for Israel and their insanely good battlefield record/nukes, these settlers would be dead within a few days for sure. There are lots of Muslims who are really pissed off at Jews generally and the settlers specifically in the region.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Some of you seem to have trouble staying on topic. This was a discussion on why the Orthodox don't like the IDF. If you'd like to discuss other issues, make a new post and I'll see you there.

[–] LeonidasFett -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I WAS talking about orthodox Jews, smartass.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You were talking about them, but not in the context of the discussion, dumbass. Your reading comprehension needs a tune up.

[–] LeonidasFett 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The report me or fuck off. You don't get to tell people what they can and cannot post.

Your entitlement needs a tune down.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

So you post something irrelevant to the discussion and then get aggressive over being told so? Grow the fuck up.

[–] LeonidasFett 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How about you follow your own advice and shut the fuck up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It is incredible how childish you've become after a simple failure on your part. Lol

[–] LeonidasFett 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Stay on topic you retard. This post is about jews!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Once again proving your lack of comprehension. Well done, child.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

90 percent of war crimes and abuses that I hear about tend to be idf related. Whenever I hear about settlers, it's normally about them stealing a house or occupying.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Then you're not actually paying attention to what is happening. Just whatever headline pops up when you happen to be watching.

The Orthodox community isn't an army, so the crimes they commit would never be labeled as war crimes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I hear about lsrael wanting to conscript Orthodox youngsters into the army, and a birth rate issue.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

They always have, and there is an Orthodox unit with special rules. The community doesn't like it though. As for birth rate, that's strictly for the Secular side. Orthodox women are, to put it bluntly, giving birth as a job. This is part of the issue between them and the Secular Jews that fund their lifestyle. Who the hell wants to pay high taxes so someone else's family of 10 can live without working?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

That's good additional info.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Or: troops saw a guy with a mask and shot him, then made up shit to justify themselves

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

All settlements are illegal and all settlers are enemy combatants in the years of Palestinians. Off-topic but it's something few recognize

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

how the turntables

[–] [email protected] -4 points 10 months ago

Fash bashing fash.