Happy 4th Indictment Day for anyone else who celebrates!
this post was submitted on 15 Aug 2023
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I hold celebrations for verdicts and sentencing
Very true, but there’s already some celebration-worthy convictions flowing. And shit is really stacking up with 91 felonies, now including a RICO charge. Trump’s legal schedule sounds like an absolute fucking nightmare. I wouldn’t be able to sleep a minute.
From a NYT piece:
At this point, Mr. Trump is about to become a professional defendant. He has already been found liable for sexual abuse by a jury that ordered $5 million in damages in a civil trial this year, and his family-run business has been convicted of 17 counts of tax fraud and other financial crimes in a separate criminal trial.
Mr. Trump has five more trials scheduled between now and May — the hush money case, the classified documents case, a New York State civil fraud trial and two federal civil trials. A sixth trial will be scheduled in Mr. Smith’s election conspiracy case and now a seventh on the Georgia counts. Altogether, that would mean nine trials for Mr. Trump since leaving the White House, not counting the Senate impeachment trial just after his term expired.
But these four criminal trials matter the most. The table has now been set, the issues laid out by four grand juries in four locations. All told, they have charged him with 91 felonies, any one of which could send him to prison for years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/14/us/politics/trump-indictments-georgia-criminal-charges.html
I wish I can share your optimism.
This is like telling me this future birthday party has a bouncy castle, a petting zoo and four kinds cakes, but now we also have the judges from the Great British Bakeoff who will make pastries.
Wake me up when it's my birthday.
I get it. The result of the Mueller investigation was really a mask-off situation and enough to destroy public trust for a long time. No one knows what’ll happen with these, regardless of how solid the cases are.
I’m just glad there’s something happening. It’s already historical. How much justice is served is yet to be determined.
What does it realistically do?
The charges range... to racketeering, a charge usually reserved for organized crime.
It's cute how the writer doesn't realize it's continuing to be reserved for organized crime.
Act like a mobster. Get charged like a mobster. If the shoe fits…
Its like they don't realize the trumps are basically a mob family i still think the death of his ex wife and rape island guy are pretty suspicious
I just realized -
We all know that:
- Violation of RICO in GA carries a minimum five year prison term,
EDIT: "[Or] a fine" that "does not exceed the greater of $25,000 or three times the amount of any pecuniary value gained". Because the pecuniary value is zero, I find it very difficult to believe that a $25,000 fine would be considered an appropriate consequence to violation of GA RICO in this case. - The GA governor cannot pardon, there is a pardon board,
- Even if the pardon board grants pardon, that does not take effect until five years after the sentence is served.
Look at all the people being charged alongside Trump for RICO. When RICO is prosecuted, all co-conspirators are charged as a group. They all get the same sentence.
They're all going to prison.
EDIT:
And and -- In order to be convicted of RICO in GA, a minimum of two crimes must be shown to be part of the same criminal enterprise. Of 19 defendants, it is highly likely that one or more will plea deal and cooperate. Another edit: Because an alternative sentence for a GA RICO violation is a fine, with no prison, that's a basis upon which other defendants or co-conspirators would be motivated to make the plea deal and cooperate.
It's all over but the shouting. Donald Trump is going to be convicted and sentenced to prison in Georgia.
I will believe it when I see it... assuming this did all happen, how long would it take from today before he hypothetically saw cell bars?
The prosecutor is shooting for 6 months if not sooner so possibly March
Betchya a buck he never sees the inside of a cell.
You get what you deserve.
The devil called down to Georgia, He was looking for some votes to steal. He was in a bind, 'cuz he was way behind
And soon he'll make a plea deal
Along with many others, and mentioning "Unindicted co-conspirators 1 through 30."
When will we see him in Orange?
EDIT: I'm talking about the clothes. Maybe even an orange ring (why not? He's greedy AF)
Hasn't he been orange for years?
The cherry on top is that Rudy Giuliani's office taught DAs how to use the racketeering laws to get mob bosses in the 80s. Now he's charged with it. I love it.
Not that I have a lot of hope for the outcomes on any of these.
Is there anyway legally to force Trump to go to Georgia for the indictment/trial?
If not I can see this clown just altogether avoiding Georgia to escape justice.
He won't be able to avoid George if he needs to campaign there. And that is the real goal IMO.