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Any citizen of the social internet knows the feeling: that irritable contentiousness, that desire to get into it that seems almost impossible to resist, even though you know you’ve already squandered too many hours and too much emotional energy on pointless internet disputes. If you use Twitter, you may have noticed that at least half the posts seemed intent on making someone—especially you—mad. In his new book, Outrage Machine, the technology researcher Tobias Rose-Stockwell explains that the underlying architecture of the biggest social media platforms is essentially (although, he argues, unintentionally) designed to get under your skin in just this way. The results, unsurprisingly, have been bad for our sanity, our culture, and our politics.

On this topic, an increasingly popular one as the social media economy convulses in response to Twitter’s Elonification, the preferred tone is either stern jeremiad or, for the well and truly addicted commentator (usually a journalist), a sort of punch-drunk nihilism much like that of someone who declares he’ll never quit smoking even though it’s going to kill him. Rose-Stockwell, by contrast, keeps his cool, pointing out that social media is full of “angry, terrible content” that makes our lives worse, while carefully avoiding any sign of partisanship or panic.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This article is just a book advertisement. The closest thing it comes to an answer to the title is suggesting that "better algorithms and moderation, changes that will eventually produce content that users will value as more trustworthy."

yawn

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It's a book review. So it's sort of an advertisement, if the reviewer doesn't like it, they'll say so.

The writer comes to a similar conclusion to you in the last paragraph.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

None of my Internet disputes have ever been pointless. They've all served to provide training material upon which the minds of our AI descendants have been built.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

when you realize that he's right

[–] Oyster_Lust 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I've tried T̶w̶i̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ X, and it just seems like a bunch of angry people text yelling at each other. It's like walking in to a huge room with 25 different arguments going on, and it's hard to tell what is even happening. I really don't get the appeal. I tried Mastodon, because I thought it might be better. It didn't appear to be.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree - the Mastodon platform, while much better than Twitter, still makes it difficult to find good communities, and a lot of the ragebait gets pushed to the top due to engagement. It takes some active curation of your feed to make it worthwhile.

I recommend using Kbin. It reads both Lemmy and Mastodon, and can classify Mastodon toots based on tagged topic. Additionally, if you're in a community / magazine, Kbin also looks for Mastodon Toots based on moderator assigned tags to that community, and posts it in their Microblog section.

[–] Jackthelad 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Using Tusky for Mastodon I never see those "trending posts", which are almost always political in nature. I got sick of politics being pushed at me all the time on Twitter so I want to get away from it as much as possible on Mastodon.

As a result, my experience of Mastodon is altogether calmer.

[–] Oyster_Lust 2 points 1 year ago

The last place I look for political opinions is social media. The most ignorant, on all sides, rise to the top.

[–] GrammatonCleric 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have to find the communities with nice people in them. There are lots of these little spots on the platform, but the general discourse is a bit edgy/hateful/etc.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I have an even easier solution. Don't use Twitter.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

And here on Lemmy/kbin I'm starting to see the same patterns I saw back on Reddit. The same hivemind opinions are establishing themselves in the same communities, and shooting down opposition in the same way. It's not really surprising, I suppose - people are the same people no matter where they go. Disappointing, but not surprising.

I suppose the main hope I have is that the Fediverse has more fragmented forums than Reddit did, so there are more opportunities for different hiveminds with different opinions to establish themselves. I suppose that'll have to do for "balance" for now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Microblogging doesn’t seem to me to be a good model for community engagement. Like you say, it’s a big room with people yelling, so it’s hard to understand more than a snippet of what one person is saying.

Mastodon is better than Twitter/X, but I think that is mostly because more people on Mastodon are there with the intent to find more meaningful engagement. That advantage is decreasing as more of the Lowest Common Denominator signs on.

[–] computergeek125 3 points 1 year ago