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Can someone give me a quick tldr why everyone is losing their mind over this?
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Baldur’s Gate 3 is a story-rich, party-based RPG set in the universe of Dungeons & Dragons, where your choices shape a tale of fellowship and betrayal, survival and sacrifice, and the lure of absolute power. (Website)
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It's a sequel (even though in name only, pretty much) to one of the most popular and well-regarded CRPGs of all time, made by a developer with a great track record and lots of public goodwill, uses the incredibly popular official D&D IP, was hyped even before Early Access started in 2020 and has now been in EA for three years.
How is it different from other fantasy RPGs?
I only played like an hour or two yesterday, but the game leans really heavily into the "simulated D&D-campaign" flavour. You have a narrator acting a lot like a DM and you have very prominently displayed (and animated!) dice rolls for loads of actions and skill-checks in dialogues.
Beyond that, wealth of multiple choices and consequences for your actions have been touted as selling points, but I have not played enough to know about any of that.
It's incredibly polished so far, though I still find facial animations (especially eyes) somewhat lacking. But I just played through Cyberpunk and that is a high bar to reach in that specific department.
Alright alright, I've taken the bait. I successfully avoided wanting it until now. I hope you're happy, you just destroyed a lot of my productivity 😭
It is a really well done game! It’s a bit complex compared to Diablo, more slow paced and super tactical vs. pure hack and slash. I love both!
I've sunken way too much time into the first two, I guess it's finally time for round three. It's been a while.
It’s previous entries, Baldur’s Gate 1 & 2 were both epic computer RPGs that more or less redefined the genre on PCs decades ago when they came out (BG1 more so, but BG2 was just as good). For me personally, I sunk countless hours into both those and a few of the offshoot titles that came later (using the same engine I think?).
You have to have played other RPGs at the time before BG1 came out to get an idea of how much simpler they were before. I don’t want to say “bad” because that’s just what the tech allowed for at the time.Then BG1 came out and it was a beautiful painting, it made everything else look like crayon drawings in comparison.
And now along comes Baldur’s Gate 3, decades later and it has some seriously big shoes to fill. It’s been in early access for a few years now I believe, it couldn’t possibly live up to the hype, right? No, it’s good, it’s really good. The full version just launched on Aug 3rd after the developer pulled the launch date up by a month (we normally hear about delays, so an earlier release is somewhat rare). I don’t know that it will have as much relative impact as BG1 had in its day, but it’s a worthy title to carry the name on, something that isn’t always true when we get sequels like this.
The difference between it and other cRPGs is the level of quality in the art/graphics, the faithfulness to the D&D rule set, the amount of freedom/options the game gives you to complete the story, the quality in the writing, and how much the developer listens to the players. It just has a great mixture of all that and they seemed to have knocked it out of the park with this. We’re used to seeing so much subpar shit come out nowadays, it’s refreshing to see a developer who really wants to make something special.
BG2 still holds up (well the remake helps) and still one of the most finest RPG games ever.
It's a well executed CRPG with high graphical fidelity set in a beloved IP. You usually only get two of those three.
It's basically the equivalent of playing tabletop 5e with Larian as the DM.
It's D&D with pretty graphics, your character really feels like he has agenda in the world only after visting few intro camps, party composition can cause some serious story deviations, most of the times if you can think it you can do it...need I to go on?
Actual big and broad RPGs, especially with AAA production, aren't super common. JRPGs are a bit more available, but if you have the itch for different formats, your options are few and far between.
This year is kind of a wild year because there are a bunch of big RPGs in different formats coming out (Diablo 4, Final Fantasy 16, BG3, Starfield), but there are a lot of years with none.
I'm also clueless, and on the Diablo train right now. What is a crpg, how does this compare to Diablo and does it work on the steam deck?
The C in CRPG stands for "computer", and was originally meant to differentiate them from pencil and paper RPGs, like D&D. That is to say they try to mimic what it is like to play D&D style games, with the openness and freedom that entails.
Obviously that is impossible, since in D&D you can do anything you can imagine and describe, provided it fits in the rule framework and the DM plays along. Including, if the DM is willing, just running away from the story to do something else entirely. But CRPGs usually try to let you have multiple ways to solve the problem of the moment.
There's also a big emphasis on story, and very often quests will be delivered narratively. As in, if you wander into a town you might talk to someone who mentions they have a problem and then it's just kind of… up to you to decide how to help? If you'll help? You don't tend to get a marker on your map and a note in your journal to go kill 5 rats, for example.
Also combat is often turn based and you usually control a whole party. So in short it's not like Diablo really.
It does run on steam deck. I had to switch to proton experimental, and the graphics have to be toned down a good bit for 40FPS stable, but because combat is turn based, it won't get you killed. It also handles reasonably well with a controller. It has enough complexity that some stuff takes more than one level of menu to do, and I've made some mistakes due to the differences with their control scheme for Divinity Original Sin 2, but once you get comfortable with it I think it works pretty well.
Damn I was hoping you'd say it sucked and I could just ignore it...
I wouldn't even compare it to Diablo.
Diablo is like a fun action packed shooter. Like watching John Wick. You're there for the adrenaline.
BG3 is a deep story game with a LOT of choices, a lot of them can go into weird directions. Like watching Lord of the Rings. You're there to seethe a Elf throws the Dwarf.
Seethe a elf throws the dwarf? Typo, or some kind of reference?
You should probably watch the Lord of the Rings movies. They're really good.
In Diablo side quests do require you to ask how you can help and then you get the marker, so that sounds fairly similar. Is Baldurs Gate a main story and then an endless set of side quests?
Side quests in Diablo and bg3 are vaaaaastly different. They're much more like Skyrim but that still hardly does it justice. In Diablo you find a burning building then the survivor says you need to find her sister in a different unrelated dungeon and you get a nice quest marker directing you there. In bg3 you find a burning building and if you make a skill check you might save the last survivor, then you can extort them for money or just kill them if you really want, then they mention their sister is trapped, you can ignore it or promise help or promise more of a reward, then you get a journal entry describing where you're currently at in that quest and it's up to you how you handle it from there.
Ok that sounds awesome
Not to mention sometimes there's no quest markers. You see some npc steal from some other npc. it's not a cutscene or anything, you just happen to be watching the NPCs do their thing. So you decide to go talk to the thief. You can either let them go, tell on them, fight them, extort them, or extort them and tell on them anyway.
And nobody in this thread has even talked about how much animals know about what's happening in the world when you talk to them.