Totally going to be a rebranded MSI Claw mark my words.
this post was submitted on 11 Mar 2025
43 points (95.7% liked)
PC Gaming
10124 readers
1058 users here now
For PC gaming news and discussion. PCGamingWiki
Rules:
- Be Respectful.
- No Spam or Porn.
- No Advertising.
- No Memes.
- No Tech Support.
- No questions about buying/building computers.
- No game suggestions, friend requests, surveys, or begging.
- No Let's Plays, streams, highlight reels/montages, random videos or shorts.
- No off-topic posts/comments, within reason.
- Use the original source, no clickbait titles, no duplicates. (Submissions should be from the original source if possible, unless from paywalled or non-english sources. If the title is clickbait or lacks context you may lightly edit the title.)
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
So QA will be ass-shite
They would be last on my interest list.
Unfortunately, it is likely to still be running Windows
The End.
Why bother at this point? The market is oversaturated with dozens of devices with very little difference between them.
It seems this is more of a trial run, and the console in 2027 would ideally be an xbox OS handheld compatible with that catalogue of games...
Ideally by then they will be blurring the lines between console and pc, and we will see some form of cross compatability.
We will see if they f that up though.
We will see ~~if~~ how they f that up though.
Oh this is like 90% guaranteed to be bad. Handheld gaming on windows just looks miserable with how bloated the OS is.
Plus they will use it to promote subscriptions. Ubisoft gets hammered for:
"gamers need to get used to not owning their games"
Microsoft who is the company that actually popularised the model, gets no flack.
I literally got censored (because I wrote like a cunt) on sh.itjust.works because I told off one of the ad company representatives sniffing around lemmy. MS spends Elon kinds of money to whitewash their image on social platforms while being one of the worst thing that happened to the gaming hobby.
Ive posted about this before, but yeah the subscription multiplayer model is probably the biggest hurdle keeping xbox games from going fully cross compatible with pc, even more than the technical challenges.
Microsoft could dump funds into a compatibility layer making xbox games work via their UWP-based App store, but they cant because of what that means for their monetization of multiplayer.
People wont welcome them charging for multiplayer on games theyre playing on their PC, so MS would rather focus on a streaming only future, where subscription is mandatory to play.
They will never be good guy Microsoft unless forced. I dont think theyre desperate enough to eliminate the multiplayer subscription, and they will probably liquidate the brand before they ever give up that income stream.
if i had to guess that's because their subscription is cheap, was even cheaper before, and offered a lot more than ubisoft. enshittification spiral is relatively recent
It's called dumping, it's how they fish the idiots.
huh? it's priced roughly the same as the competitors, ea play fits that definition much better
edit: my regional pricings makes the comparison a lil harder, but it's 3 bucks for ea play and like 6 for game pass, i think the proportions are the same elsewhere
Explain how. I'd like to hear your reasoning for this. Not saying EA is not dumping, just how that's at all relevant to the BIGGEST company in gaming dumping or not.
Windows is the most deployed non business OS in the entire world. Every single Win10 and 11 user gets constant popus reminding them of gamepass offers. Every single computer electronics item, laptops et al sold in the EU has 1-3 months of FREE gamepass attached. Each laptop sold with Windows gets 3 free month's worth of Gamepass. I'd like to know how EA play is worse (especially considering till Satya whipped Spenser like the little bitch he is you could get GP for 12-48€ for a year, some people subscribed for several years).
Every single Win10 and 11 user gets constant popus reminding them of gamepass offers
lol i don't, check your settings maybe
Every single computer electronics item, laptops et al sold in the EU
ah, there's the problem. nothing like that where i live so ea undercutting gamepass by 100% seems like they're the ones dumping
I guess Microsoft's astroturfing budget for fringe social networks like lemmy can really only afford bottom of the barrel quality huh...
lol i don't, check your settings maybe
This is how to remove them. A significant portion of these ads are not possible to change from userspace and are grayed out. Most people won't even know how to do it, which begs the question How does the reply "WoRkS fOr Me" is at all relevant to the request I made regarding an explanation why is EA access worse than gamepass.
ah, there's the problem. nothing like that where i live so ea undercutting gamepass by 100% seems like they're the ones dumping
Uh, if you undercut something by 100% you give it away for free, it is indeed dumping. More relevant, where do you live so I can use a VPN to get free gamepass? If you meant, undercuts GP by 50%, and seeing you're on sopuly, which is hosted within the EU, in the FTA countries the situation is the same, an overwhelming majority of OEM win11 keys on PCs with NVIDIA graphics are bundled with 1-3 months of free gamepass. Now I'm more curious from which backwater place you originate that the OEMs take the bundles from their customers. Interestingly enough, I'd also like to know where is EA access half of gamepass PC, considering Gamepass includes EA access...
I'd also like to know where is EA access half of gamepass PC, considering Gamepass includes EA access...
Ukraine. 130 vs 230 uah, respectively.
Ukraine. 130 vs 230 uah, respectively.
so GP includes EA access
230 - 130 (EAA) = 100 uah, meaning if anyone is dumping is Microsoft, it's just behind an insurmountable amount of complicated arithmetic operations.
Thank you for proving my point.
I guess Microsoft's astroturfing budget for fringe social networks like lemmy can really only afford bottom of the barrel quality huh...
jfc, how old are you?
yes, I meant 50%. I don't see how saying win 10 doesn't force gamepass ads is at all relevant to the rest of this discussion. didn't say ea pass is worse, i said it fits the description better, judging from the pricing alone
Lol, gamers hate on Microsoft constantly, I don't think their image is remotely white washed.
And the primary reason that Microsoft is so heavily associated with gaming (and CAD software, etc), is because they're the ones who built DirectX, which creates an abstraction layer that developers can target without worrying about the underlying hardware and graphics cards.
Nowa days we finally have OpenGL and it's successors, but Microsoft's link to gaming was established by spending decades being basically the only company willing to create a more flexible and open gaming platform than consoles. Is that as nice as having open source code and standards as the abstraction layer? No, but it's a lot nicer than Apple, Sega, Nintendo, Sony, etc who all wanted to tie the hardware directly to the games.
See what I mean
Lol, gamers hate on Microsoft constantly, I don't think their image is remotely white washed.
And the primary reason that Microsoft is so heavily associated with gaming (and CAD software, etc), is because they're the ones who built DirectX, which creates an abstraction layer that developers can target without worrying about the underlying hardware and graphics cards.
Nowa days we finally have OpenGL and it's successors, but Microsoft's link to gaming was established by spending decades being basically the only company willing to create a more flexible and open gaming platform than consoles. Is that as nice as having open source code and standards as the abstraction layer? No, but it's a lot nicer than Apple, Sega, Nintendo, Sony, etc who all wanted to tie the hardware directly to the games.
OpenGL predates DirectX by several years and yet here we have someone spreading manifestly wrong information. Even Direct3D which is what should be mentioned came AFTER OpenGL. Microsoft is a trust, cheats bribes and breaks the law to maintain that trust and as a company should really be exploded into several smaller companies so that the market can have real competition again.
It doesn't take much of a CPU to run the base windows. Without Windows unloading stuff it uses less than 4 gigs of ram.
If the device is capable of running remotely modern games it's capable of running them on windows just fine. Microsofts garbage doesn't actually use that much resources vs a modern full fat linux distro.
4GB is still like 3GB more vs running Bazzite or SteamOS.
There's also the storage aspect, windows on its own with what it needs for windows updates can use like 50GB+ of space, and since most of these console come with small SSDs in the 128GB-512GB range that's a huge downside.
Then there's the lack of small screen optimization, lack of touch optimization, and all the garbage that runs in the background, uses resources, and constantly bothers people like onedrive and teams and other junk.
i'd be more concerned about battery life and how easy it is to get rid of the stock OS
"Rule 9: Use the original source"
So here it is: https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/xbox-hardware-report-project-keenan-next-gen-xbox-2027
Feels like something that is gonna blow but I am curious to see what they do with it. Though its been a rough few years for xbox.
They will ship it, and then drop support for it after a year.
Sounds about right for Microsoft. Def don't have the highest hopes for this lol
Honestly the idea of a Gamepass Centric handheld is one I'm surprised they didn't go for already. If they push it with just the Xbox styled front end, it'll probably be more appealing than the xbox itself
Its not enough, my steamdeck streams xbox games just fine. Unless their pc handheld simultaneously offers near 100% pc game compatibility with an interface as easy to use as steamOS... They wont make a splash with this product(at ~$500).
That probably doesnt matter because this device is just a brand teamup MS thinks is warming people up to the idea of an xbox handheld, when in reality I think it will dilute its reception.
so logitech g cloud again? except this time using windows just because they can