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Trying to move away from FireFox.

I know that there is LibreWolf and GNU IceCat.

What are the pros and cons for each?

I tried GNU IceCat and I don't know how to install extensions. How to get extensions for GNU IceCat? Is it easier on LibreWolf?

I need the following extensions:

  • ublock origin
  • send to MPV player
  • privacy badger
  • Distraction free youtube
  • Unhook
  • LeechBlock NG
  • Privacy Badger
  • Tab Session Manager
  • KeePassXC-Browser
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I personally prefer Librewolf or Abrowser over IceCat, but if you can get IceCat to work then great.

You should be able to get extensions from the Mozilla Add-Ons Store. Failing that, the GNU Project has Mozzarella.

On Android, I would only recommend IronFox. It's available on GitLab, Accrescent, Obtainium, and F-Droid (third-party repo).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

I really like the play on words GNU did with Mozzarella.

Thank you for the links!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Anyone know of something similar for Android? I used to use Mull until it died, and now I'm back to Fennec. I very much prefer that it's available on fdroid, or at least direct download.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

IronFox seems to be a maintained fork of Mull

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I just recently switched to LibreWolf from Firefox. It's one of the easiest software transitions I've ever made. It really is just Firefox without Mozilla's recent bad decision making.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Thank you.

I see that I have to add an extra repo for Debian. That's my only hesitation towards it atm.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (3 children)

Perhaps a dumb question but why do you consider this a bad thing?

Should I consider it a bad thing??

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

It's not a bad thing.

It's that I'd prefer if it was in the Debian repos. There's an advantage to having all your packages come from one tested and trusted source. There are of course downsides to this approach namely, this kind of situation where there's something new but not in the main repos.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

They’re probably just trying to be minimalist

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Yes. This is it. I want, as much as possible, to use packages from the main Debian repos.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

That really depends on the quality of the repo.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

what about flatpaks/snaps?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

I've used flatpaks. I've never used snaps (I don't want to support proprietary Canonical stuff). I prefer getting stuff from the Debian repo.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I can't tell you much about the pros and cons for each, however, when I look at the number of active contributors for each project, I'm not thrilled by either of their staying power.

Icecat has only a few active contributors. LibreWolf has <20.

Just to compare, Waterfox has over 5000 contributors.

LibreWolf (and Waterfox) install extensions the way Firefox does, so it's very easy. Waterfox does give you the option to sync with Firefox, so that might be a major benefit if you want the functionality.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just to compare, Waterfox has over 5000 contributors.

I am 100% certain that this count includes Firefox contributors, not direct contributors to Waterfox. None of the Firefox forks are massive projects with contributors into the thousands. I would expect Waterfox to have a similar number of dedicated contributors to the others.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, those are almost exclusively Firefox contributors. e.g. Emilio Cobos Álvarez is a Gecko engineer at Mozilla, moz-wptsync-bot is a bot Mozilla uses to sync web platforms tests, Ryan VanderMeulen is the Firefox release manager at Mozilla.

Since their commits show up in the Waterfox commit log, they are Waterfox contributors, but only because it's a fork and they contributed to the upstream project, Firefox.

LibreWolf and IceCat aren't on GitHub (officially), so I'm guessing it's just a difference in how different code trackers report contributors in forks or something.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Thank you for the info. I made assumptions for sure.

The silver lining is that the OP has more than two alternatives regardless 😀

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You can also sync in LibreWolf, if you enable it in the settings.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I need to run my own sync server.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can do that too. LibreWolf is not taking away any of Firefox functionality unless there's a specific reason for it. Some of its defaults are stricter, but those can be changed. All the configuration is totally available to you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I get that. It's just your comment made me realize I should self host my sync server.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Ah, good call. I probably should too. I'm not sure I will, but I should.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Hmm. I didn't see the option, but if true, that's great (if you use the option).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

librewolf works just as well. waterfox is good too, but they have some questionable ui designs, though not as irrational as Firedragon

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Didn't consider Waterfox. Will look into it.

I was leaning towards GNU IceCat because of it being backed by Debian.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

librewolf. icecat is great, but not all extensions and websites work properly

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think you would be hard-pressed to tell the difference between Firefox and Librewolf as you do all of your normal business with websites, but prove me wrong.

For IceCat, my main browser, you have to do a web search for the extensions you want and install the extension from their website, from Github, or from Firefox Addons. The IceCat FSF have a mentality of believing the only way to protect people's freedom, which never ever includes freedom of choice, is to have total tyrannical control and eliminate all options for users that don't conform to FSF philosophy because users aren't smart enough to know what not to install. So the IceCat people say the best way to protect people is cut off their ability to natively search Firefox Add-on website.

I'm curious to ask you, why do you use Distraction free YouTube instead of FreeTube? Do you need native YouTube functionality or do you post comments?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Thank you for the comment.

It seems difficult to get extensions onto IceCat it seems. I guess I'd have to update them myself as well.

I use Distraction Free YouTube because I run into errors when using FreeTube. I use Distraction Free YouTube to see the description. I use MPV to view the video.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All of the extensions on the Firefox Addon website seem to install fine in IceCat. The extensions will be updated automatically. I recommend after installing IceCat disable all of the extensions that come with it built in or websites won't load as expected.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

Yes. That was the first things I learned very quickly.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

freetube is broken now