The main issue I have right now: the jurisdiction of this is in the US, and to be honest, I don’t trust the US that much when it comes to privacy laws regarding the (near) future.
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what r they gonna do if it's open source and doesn't collect data. worry more about ur OS
I donate to Ladybird and Servo, and I hope they succeed. We need serious competition and a check on Mozilla (not to mention Chrome and Safari).
That said, I'm sad that neither Ladybird or Servo are licensed under strong copyleft licenses. We need user-oriented browsers now more than ever, and strong copyleft enables that. I worry that, even if these engines are successful, they will be co-opted by proprietary browsers and eventually superseded by them.
This happened before - both Chrome and Safari ultimately derive from KHTML, Konqueror's browser engine. If KHTML had been licnesed under the GPL instead of the LGPL, Chrome and Safari (and not just their engines) may have been free software today. Or, at the very least, it would have been much more difficult for Apple and Google to get started.
That said, I wish Ladybird the best. There donation = no influence policy is excellent, and I really, really hope they can stick to it in the long term.
No.
If khtml had been GPL, it simply never would have been used for chrome or safari, some other engine would have been picked.
Anything but real open source for these types of companies
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How does one have a donation = no influence policy?
Huge companies donate to make open apps like this reliant on them. Then they threaten to pull the donation if that doesn't happen...
Strong Copyleft licenses protect from this by allowing others to fork and keep an app going without being taken advantage of.
If Google donates 1 billion dollars tomorrow, and over several months, Ladybird will expand to use that money. Then Google can threaten to stop the donations unless LB does something like "make ad blockers worse"
It's a web browser. The only money they will make is from donations. Unless they do something wonky with their business model, like charge. Then no one will use it anyway.
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crying in decentralization efforts
I’m with you. I install Legcord now so that I don’t have to install that shitty application on my actual computer. I highly recommend it for those communities that refuse to use anything else!
You don't have to install anything. It's a website. I don't understand why people install the app (or any app that is a website in a wrapper).
Might want to look into Legcord, because it is definitely more than just a wrapper, friend.
The Discord-based "support" makes it a "meh." The main devs alt-right BS makes it a "hard pass."
Lemmy was created by a tankie, many of whose opinions I abhor.
As long as it's FOSS and doesn't inherently promote their beliefs, I will use the software.
I agree it's not great and I'd prefer if it weren't made by imbeciles
Tankies are annoying, but they're not on the same level as fascists.
TBH, it is very difficult to me differentiating between the different flavors of authoritarians.
Maybe someone can make an easy to understand comparison matrix? You know, "Kills people because they have a different opinion.", "Suppresses minorities.", etc.
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Both facists and tankies have genocided disabled people and selectively killed anarchists.
As a disabled anarchist, they end up seeming pretty similar to me.
I've recently been reading some anarchist texts (Emma Goldman, Kropotkin...), and I really like a lot of their ideas. Love the way Kropotkin writes too.
However (and to be clear, I'm sure I've barely scratched the surface), the past decade or two has had a profound effect on my opinion of people in general, and their ability (and/or desire) to organize and self-regulate at such a scale. As such, anarchism just does not seem like a viable solution in the modern world.
As we've seen, even with our relatively structured, centralized, government, so much of it was just so easily steamrolled by a handful of bad actors. Our "checks and balances" turned out to just be empty words.
If anything, the past couple of decades has made it abundantly clear to me that what we need is a strong federal government where nothing is based on good faith, or social norms, but actual rule of law. No, it shouldn't be optional to release your financials. No, you should not be able to just ignore it when your chode son-in-law's security clearance is denied like a dozen times. No, you don't get to just do whatever the fuck you want because you were elected President.
How do we stop that without some kind of centralized government?
And yes, I understand the dangers here... But it could be done right. South Korea seems to know how to deal with coup attempts. Same with Brazil...
As a disabled non-anarchist, fuck both parties
As a non-disabled non-anarchist, yeah fuck them
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Hell, even worse, crying in the lost information. Discord is a black hole where community knowledge goes to die.
It's the worst.
I hate it so much, even when I NEED to go there for help and support, I know I'm lonely the tenth person to ask the same question. I honestly don't know why so many people love this way of support, just document it!
Why always discord.... Why!!!!
because a turn key platform they don’t have to self host and maintain frees them up to do the work.
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To go along with the alt right stuff, one of their major donors is Shopify.
Alright, read up on it a bit more. Sadly the language choices (C++ now, maybe Swift later) rubs me the wrong way for something that needs to be incredibly secure against attacks. I really really support additional browser engines, but likely not this one.
Thus I think Servo is a better choice for those looking to contribute. IMHO.
Quite happy to see Servo coming along again. I am still excited for Ladybird and it seems more likely to deliver a truly viable browser sooner.
I am not a Swift dev but I think it has decent memory safety as well. I think it is one of the reasons Ladybird is moving to it. They evaluated Rust and decided it lacked the OOP features they needed.
The C++ that Ladybird writes is also very good. They have their own standard library (written for SerenityOS) which is very modern including memory safety and security. Still C++ though of course.
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