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BioWare veteran calls out the 'cruelty' of fans celebrating layoffs: 'You are crossing a line, and you're probably attacking the wrong person anyway' (www.pcgamer.com)

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 days ago

You don't respond to trolls. This is one of the earliest rules of the internet.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm willing to bet my ass that gamers cheering for the ubisoft layoff will be complaining about the "good old time" of AAA studio in a couple of years. Spoiler: devs are losing their jobs, not executives.

[–] ghostface 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well they aren't cheering for the employees who are laid off. It's more like the Luigi killing of the murderer uhc exec. The people weren't happy the exec was dead but that the protection they felt as a CEO was broken. Same with Ubisoft they have been behaving badly for so long., EA as well, the gamers just want change for the better and layoffs signal that change

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

This is true for a lot of people but unfortunately there very much are some targeting the people losing their jobs. I've seen plenty of people, even some on Lemmy in the past, who hate individual devs because the game they were looking forward to wasn't good.

Is it a loud minority? Probably. That doesn't make it OK, though, and it doesn't reduce the mental hit to these devs in an already bad moment of their lives.

[+] [email protected] -17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The thing is, when you side with the anti-woke crowd, you make them feel legitimate. The latest AC game wasn't even out and gamers were crushing it because "black samurai" and "women".

Also, people are praising Steam, who has under 100 employees, takes 30% of the price of EVERY GAMES SOLD, and doesn't let you own you games, but bashing studios (purely greedy capitalist business too, we agree) with thousands of employees who in the end are mostly passionate devs... That doesn't make much sens to me and sadly, in the end it's always devs that will pay for executive's bad decision.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Also, people are praising Steam, who has under 100 employees, takes 30% of the price, and doesn’t let you own you games, but bashing studios (purely greedy capitalist business too, we agree) with thousands of employees who in the end are mostly passionate devs…

One is releasing a good product and the other don't? Most people care for their money spend.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Yes but muh bougie activism.

[+] [email protected] -10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They clearly don't considering they're not boycotting Steam which takes a much bigger cut than it needs to.

But hey, as long as it's Gabe that has a yacht collection, it's alright!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How Steam getting a bigger cut is impacting their products negatively? Do you really believe by decreasing the margin the game will be cheaper? Even when the same game has the same price in PS5/Xbox/Switch and PC. That's my point people doesn't care with things that doesn't affect them directly, the Steam margin hurts a lot less the end user for them to care.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's hurting consumers because it's less money going to the people doing the actual work to bring them a product and more money going to the boss who's a billionaire that has a yacht collection.

Always funny to see the anti establishment crowd looking the other way when it comes to Valve.

The only reason games are so expensive is because of all the leeches above the devs, the devs could make the same amount of money they currently make while reducing a ton of overhead going to multi-millionaires and billionaires, otherwise more money could go to the devs and less to the leeches, no matter the alternative, it would be better for the consumers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The only reason games are so expensive is because of all the leeches above the devs, the devs could make the same amount of money they currently make while reducing a ton of overhead going to multi-millionaires and billionaires, otherwise more money could go to the devs and less to the leeches, no matter the alternative, it would be better for the consumers.

Sadly that's only works with indie studios. Cutting 30% of steam for a Ubisoft/EA game only moves the money to Ubisoft/EA.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're part of the fucking problem as well! None of those rich assholes need people like you defending them!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That’s my point people doesn’t care with things that doesn’t affect them directly, the Steam margin hurts a lot less the end user for them to care.

Yeah they are, but the whole argument is: Why people are praising Steam but bashing studios. I'm telling the why: For the vast majority of people what matters is the product that they consume, Steam release good stuff, the big studios are struggling to release anything good. Changing anything about how Steam operates barely impact anything about the studios and slops continues to be released. -30% with Steam and the stakeholders of the studios get 30% more money, the devs continues to be underpaid and overworked like always and the head of studio is still chasing a trend. That's why nobody cares about Steam.

In Bioware case, the devs have had problems with the studio since DAO, most people didn't care until Anthem, the first big failure, and they released two more bad games. If at least Veilguard was good, people will not say anything about how the devs suffered to release the game, because they received a good product.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

It's baffling to see that it's absolutely impossible to emit any form of criticism about steam (a soul-less dirty capitalist business like any other) without having an army of gamers ready to die to defend it. Yeah they offer a pretty good service, but taking a 30% on games is ridiculous.

[–] ghostface 2 points 1 day ago

And this is the sad reality of Dev will suffer over executive decisions good or bad. Despite the fact that the industry has responded over and over again, just make good games and the gamers will play. But also sadly make bad games and gamers support that too soooo?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago

So the core video complaint is here

Your $70 Doesn't Buy You Cruelty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mkVfdbVAZE

Where I think he makes a crossed point about social media. Attacking a game worker on social media who is just minding their own business isn't cool, I agree.

However, responding to a game workers taunts on social media is exactly the engagement social media was designed for. That's why the creatives are there calling their customers toxic to get engagement

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

"Gamers" can be pretty terrible people so this tracks.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, "gamers" are a collection of toxic mudbutt degenerates. They have gotten so bad that I'm cautious about telling anyone I enjoy video games, as I'd hate to be associated with these hateful clowns.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No joke.

I've gotten to the point where I just don't really play anything anymore because of it.

You go 'boy I'd like to see what new games are coming soon' and you immediately land in a cesspool of people throwing a fit that there's a black guy, or a trans girl, or a white chick that doesn't make their little peepee hard, as well as any other awful sexist, racist, ableist swill you can possibly imagine all over every inch of anything that remotely looks like gaming media or discussion forums.

I just kind of have quit looking, and just playing old games for the 2nd or 3rd time, despite the fact I would happily have bought anything that seems remotely fun a couple of years ago because I don't want to subject myself to those morons, end up playing games with them, or like, having anyone confuse me as being one of them as you said.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Okay, but do so-called "gamers" actually care about video games? Because most of the time, I don't see them talking about actual video games that they enjoy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In the case of the Veilguard, the devs responsible for the game divulgation lied or omitted the truth about the game, like in the case of Veilguard not importing the choices of previous games was leaked and doesn't seem like they planned to tell the audience before the release, so I can see why some people hold a certain grudge with the Veilguard devs, but it's stupid, it's not their decision to do things like that.

I am rooting for the demise of Bioware/EA, they have been doing bad practices for a long long time, fuck all their execs. But with their demise will happen layoffs, the only thing to do is to support the devs with their new studio, like with the games: Stray Gods or Exodus

[–] Renacles 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What gets shown to the public or not is not the decision of "the devs", there is someone at the top calling the shots.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

but it’s stupid, it’s not their decision to do things like that.

I know, but people associate them with the game.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Jokes on him I spent $0 and I'm laughing at them