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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Good on them.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sad to see the tensions between groups inside Lemmy rose so bad that someone has to mention they are not pro-CCP when they say good about China.

China is not ultimate good. China is not ultimate bad. Chinese government just does some good things and some bad things.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I used to tell people the proper response to this stuff would be for western industries to do the free enterprise thing and compete in this market. But the rebuttals always just devolved into prejudiced xenophobia instead of any genuine opinion or belief in green energy, infrastructure, or patriotism.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The right wing Americans and Europeans have made their place on Lemmy. Anything china does it's important they scream uguyrs or communism bad like that's some sort of gotcha from children of (and sometimes literally active) colonisers

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Lets be honest. China doesnt care if they cook the planet all the same. What matters is enegry independency.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't think it's useful to list GW capacities, as the country consumes and produces more power overall.

A more useful metric would be the percentage of renewables in the national grid.

Still, China is fairly impressive in that respect.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Sharing this here as it's exactly what you mention!

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/carbon-intensity-electricity

CO2g per KWh is the standard metric for "how much a countries electricity pollutes".

Tldr China's is 580 and improving. USA is 370 and improving at a similar rate (this obviously might change under the current administration).

Others worth pointing too is Sweden (40gCO2) which is a good marker of what's possible for a wealthy country and India (700gCO2) because as a country with a lot of economic development and recent historic poverty, it shows why China's improvement is worth noting.

EDIT: I probabably implied that China and USA should be compared in terms of their improvements, but didn't mean too! I figure Lemmy is a mostly USA centric place, so thought that was a good benchmark. Comparing USA to similar wealthy, established enconomies like European countries, it's improving a lot slower. Comparing China to fast developing countries like India or Nigeria (probably a messy comparison) shows its improving faster than you'd expect.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Looks like China's is improving, but still a little over the worldwide average.

Graph

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/carbon-intensity-electricity?tab=chart&country

Edit: oops this is the same data you were showing, just in graph form instead.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

“establish [new systems] before breaking [old ones]” (先立后破)."

Compared to the whole "move fast and break things" mantra thats migrated to the US government, this seems like a wise move.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What a weird graph, doesn't tell us anything, why not an energy mix graph to show coal increasing in the energy mix? Oh it isn't? These coal factory's are made to shut older ones? Ohhh you're not very smart

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Or you could read the article.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Thanks! That is indeed a more useful and interesting piece of data.

I expected numbers on China to be a bit lower, but an improvement is surely significant.

Love the time slider!

[–] ShortFuse 3 points 1 day ago

How about per capita?

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